[Rumour] Seravalli: Eichel resolution expected in coming days; VGK and Buffalo talks very active

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Theodore + Krebs + 1st + _____

All out of thanks, so thanks.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

https://twitter.com/user/status/1454145078562279428

Does Elliotte actually have inside info on the communication between BUF / VGK or is he just going off of the buzz Seravalli generated?

Until the trade is confirmed. I ain't hear no bell yet.

I don't trust that Friedman has any kind of inside scoop on Vegas.

I'd put more weight into whatever saravelli is saying.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This has to be one of the longest trade negotiations sweepstakes of all time.

Buffalo is the worst.

Yeah, they deserve a crap return for how they've handled this.


Hopefully that crap return is from the Flames.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget geography...Players want to play there, that is the real reason the Flames don't have

Stone, Kadri, Brown, right now

I don't totally agree with that statement, but I can live with it. I would argue - shouldn't that be an even bigger reason for why the Flames should go after a franchise center who is locked in long-term without a NTC or NMC?

This is literally the perfect opportunity given the geography and NTC constraints for why the above players are not on the Flames.

[Roof-Daddy]

If someone can't see the difference between a 27 year old Hamonic, a top 4 Dman with two years left on his contract at the time, and a 25 year old Eichel, a legit #1C with 5 years remaining on his contract then I don't know what to say.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If someone can't see the difference between a 27 year old Hamonic, a top 4 Dman with two years left on his contract at the time, and a a 25 year old Eichel, a legit #1C with 5 years remaining on his contract then I don't know what to say.

It's like apples and fire trucks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I don't totally agree with that statement, but I can live with it. I would argue - shouldn't that be an even bigger reason for why the Flames should go after a franchise center who is locked in long-term without a NTC or NMC?

This is literally the perfect opportunity given the geography and NTC constraints for why the above players are not on the Flames.

not sure how you can disagree

geography cost them Kardri/Brown...there is no argument there

Stone, well he would sign in Vegas immediately but not Calgary

So rental vs. 8 year contract (how the hell do you beat their offer)

It doesn't excuse every transaction ever but these two are obvious. Its like the Rangers back in the day...were all the other GMs bad? or did the Rangers have more money and all the players wanted to go there.


This situation is different but again there is no deal last I checked

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If someone can't see the difference between a 27 year old Hamonic, a top 4 Dman with two years left on his contract at the time, and a 25 year old Eichel, a legit #1C with 5 years remaining on his contract then I don't know what to say.

The difference is that one player is much more valuable than the other.

The similarity is that neither player's value is infinite. There is always a price that is too high to pay.

An '89 Lada is not the same as a brand-new Lamborghini. You wouldn't pay $10,000 for the Lada. You wouldn't pay $1,000,000 for the Lamborghini.* There is always a top price.

Is this hard for you to understand?


*Unless you are in the market for a Sián, in which case I don't wanna talk to you no more, and can you lend me $50,000 till payday?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by CF84

Yeah, they deserve a crap return for how they've handled this.


Hopefully that crap return is from the Flames.

The other thing is what’s Eichel doing? Just hanging out in his apartment? Like can this surgery just be pushed indefinitely?

I find the entire handling of this super weird.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

The difference is that one player is much more valuable than the other.

The similarity is that neither player's value is infinite. There is always a price that is too high to pay.

Is this hard for you to understand?

One is easily acquired and moves around seemingly every off season.

The other is one of the hardest commodities to acquire in hockey, probably THE hardest commodity to acquire.

Treliving should be jumping at the opportunity to get Eichel, and a few "maybe" prospects and picks shouldn't stop him, ESPECIALLY when the team is trying to compete and win right now.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

One is easily acquired and moves around seemingly every off season.

The other is one of the hardest commodities to acquire in hockey, probably THE hardest commodity to acquire.

Treliving should be jumping at the opportunity to get Eichel, and a few "maybe" prospects and picks shouldn't stop him, ESPECIALLY when the team is trying to compete and win right now.

But they can't compete to win right now if part of the ask is Hanifin off the current roster and with no guarantee that Eichel will play at all this year.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

One is easily acquired and moves around seemingly every off season.

The other is one of the hardest commodities to acquire in hockey, probably THE hardest commodity to acquire.

Treliving should be jumping at the opportunity to get Eichel, and a few "maybe" prospects and picks shouldn't stop him, ESPECIALLY when the team is trying to compete and win right now.

So? That still doesn't make Eichel's value infinite. Would you trade the entire team for him?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Toonage

But they can't compete to win right now if part of the ask is Hanifin off the current roster and with no guarantee that Eichel will play at all this year.

Well that is what makes evaluating everything about an Eichel trade so difficult right now. We don't know what the ask is.

Chances are though, if the Flames don't acquire Eichel, 3 years from now if we find out the only thing that came between the Flames and Eichel was Treliving's unwillingness to part ways with Hanifin, we are going to be shaking our heads at that stupid decision.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So? That still doesn't make Eichel's value infinite. Would you trade the entire team for him?

I've never said his value was infinite. You're just arguing with yourself now.

[Knightslayer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, I call BS on this.

Show me your off season prediction of the VGK going from perennial Presidents's trophy and Stanley Cup contenders to missing the playoffs in one off season.

Here you go.

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

The Vegas Golden Knights will not make the playoffs.

Calgary Flames will finish top 5 in the NHL

Johnny Gaudreau will finish top 10 in scoring

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

One is easily acquired and moves around seemingly every off season.

The other is one of the hardest commodities to acquire in hockey, probably THE hardest commodity to acquire.

Treliving should be jumping at the opportunity to get Eichel, and a few "maybe" prospects and picks shouldn't stop him, ESPECIALLY when the team is trying to compete and win right now.

Yup.

Apparently this is more hard for people to understand.

Cup winning teams typically have elite centers and elite goalies. We have a lot of very good up front, but we don't have elite down the middle.

When push comes to shove and we set our eyes on the ultimate prize in sports, a guy like Eichel will prove to be a necessary piece to getting there.

Yes, you can have runs like Montreal with a collection of good players, but to beat that team that stands between you and a championship, chances are you will need that gamebreaker centering your top line.

Do you trust Lindholm to outperform a top 5 center in a hypothetical finals? He's an amazing player but I wouldn't bet on him to lead the team past a Tampa Bay and the kind of centers they can put against you.

So tell me. Why is THAT is hard to understand?

You have to pay to acquire elite, there is no way around that. If you can do it while keeping your top players intact, why wouldn't you take that chance? The point of playing is to win. If you're playing it safe, and satisfied with 1-2 round runs, what are you even doing here?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Well that is what makes evaluating everything about an Eichel trade so difficult right now. We don't know what the ask is.

Chances are though, if the Flames don't acquire Eichel, 3 years from now if we find out the only thing that came between the Flames and Eichel was Treliving's unwillingness to part ways with Hanifin, we are going to be shaking our heads at that stupid decision.

Pretty good chance we are saying thank god we didn't trade Hanifin, 1st, Zary ect

A lot depends on if Eichel gets back to 100% or even close

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Knightslayer

Here you go.

Fair enough. All three takes are looking good ATM. Still very early though.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I've never said his value was infinite. You're just arguing with yourself now.

I am arguing with the people who are literally saying that the Flames should get the deal done no matter what it costs.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Don't forget geography...Players want to play there, that is the real reason the Flames don't have

Stone, Kadri, Brown, right now

Fair.

But we have gotten our fair share of players. Still not sure why Markstrom wanted to stay in western Canada, but he did pick us and Tanev too. Throw in Blake Coleman too. I'd say Neal and Brouwer count too, but I'd still like to forget those signings ever happened at all.