DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by cDnStealth

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346970430062485505

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346970431039934464

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346970432017031178

Well that's interesting. Twitter account suspended for the next 12 hours.

Finally, Twitter.

What ever will he do for those 12 (hopefully +) hours.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by fanin80

NSFW!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346966581008470017

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I can see where you're coming from, but I'm not even thinking locking up hundreds or thousands, but at least shut the doors and arrest all of them inside. Basically it just showed if they have a big enough crowd there will be little to no consequence, at least immediately. With 2 weeks of Trump left, that's a dangerous message to send.

There's already been one death, how many more is worth it to arrest some people who are willing to leave that you can go after later?

Also just logically speaking, they didn't have the resources to stop the crowd from getting in, how can they possibly prevent the same crowd from leaving when they are surrounded and the barricades are down? If the crowd was willing to walk away peacefully, as they appear to do so, then this seems like a no-brainer to me.

[djsFlames]

Would really like to see a ton of fines handed out and arrests made in the weeks to follow akin to the Vancouver riots.

Let the dust settle but monitor it all for later to pin these idiots with.

With all the social media brag posts, they're putting plenty of material out there for authorities to use against them.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

As much as quoting this makes people feel like they "got" Tomi, it breaks down pretty fast.

She and her ilk feel (or at least say) the election was rigged, therefore, to her Trump did not loose and her previous tweet is not relevant.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

There's already been one death, how many more is worth it to arrest some people who are willing to leave that you can go after later?

I'm not asking for more deaths, I'm saying there has to be consequences for what happened today. Arresting some people weeks or months or years later doesn't mean anything today with 2 weeks of Trump left and now his supporters realize if there's enough of them they can break into government buildings with little to no consequences. This was terrorism. You need to arrest people on the spot, not open the door for them and let them leave on their terms and worry about it later. That's very dangerous, and frankly, just completely messed up.

[flylock shox]

There had better be an investigation into the way the Capitol police prepared for and handled this situation when all is said and done.



They got extremely lucky (so far) that only one person was killed in the course of this. The mishandling of this situation put hundreds of lives at risk, including those in the building (and the building itself). Whoever was calling the shots on this needs to be grilled.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes clearly violence protesting the endless grim toll of young black men shot by the police for little or no reason is exactly the same as violence protesting a free and fair election where you didn't get the result you wanted, while we're at it I am calling for the exoneration of our Vancouver numpties as hell they obviously felt they were cheated out of a Stanley Cup, obv's they get to riot as well.

"Riots are bad!....Except for the good ones!"

[#-3]

I typically think we have an overly zealous judiciary in the English world, and most of our criminal punishments are over inflated to the point that they are ineffective in their primary goal of rehabilitation and their secondary goal of deterrence.

But, I can not imagine a time in history where and action like this would not end in a couple of ceremonial hangings.

I truly don't know what they are going to do to Trump and his worst collaborators, but whatever they do, it is almost certainly far far less than he deserves.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm not asking for more deaths, I'm saying there has to be consequences for what happened today. Arresting some people weeks or months or years later doesn't mean anything today with 2 weeks of Trump left and now his supporters realize if there's enough of them they can break into government buildings with little to no consequences.

So putting some rioters in jail for a couple hours until they are processed does what in terms of consequences today? It's the same thing, the consequences don't occur until court much later.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This was terrorism. You need to arrest people on the spot, not open the door for them and let them leave on their terms and worry about it later. That's very dangerous, and frankly, just completely messed up.

I edit my post after your reply, but logistically they didn't have the manpower to stop these same people from entering, they don't have the manpower to stop them from leaving either. There was already a death, there's violence, you can de-escalate it now by letting them leave "triumphantly" and having them face the consequences later, or you can try to arrest an angry mob resulting in more violent and more death and still have them face that same consequence later, I believe this is a no-brainer.

I mean, if they could have peacefully arrested them that would be a different story, but it was clear that would not be the case so why put officers live at risk when you can just end the violence now? You don't have to be asking for more deaths to recognize that trying to arrest the entirety of an angry mob that's already fighting with you, that out numbers you, is going to result in violence.

EDIT: I'd also argue that violently arresting them isn't going to be sending any message to these clear idiots anyways. We've seen these idiots, they came looking for a "revolution", they were willing to get arrested and probably much worse. They'd love to be martyrs by being arrested. But if the option is continued violence or getting everyone home safely, of which I believe that is the case, then I don't really even see this as a decision.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

"Riots are bad!....Except for the good ones!"

I realize that you're trying to be the same obnoxious troll as ever, but you're actually fairly close. Some riots aren't right - but they are necessary to change injustice.


And some are just bat#### stupid people being stupid. Like this one.


Wonder which one you would rather attend?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Shep Smith: the president is no longer allowed to tweet but still holds the keys to the nuclear weapons

[nfotiu]

Who is in charge of the Capital Police? If it's someone in the White House, then that would explain lax attitude.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Shep Smith: the president is no longer allowed to tweet but still holds the keys to the nuclear weapons

If they were smart they would have told him they were the keys to the White House Library, and he probably never gave them a second thought.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

So putting some rioters in jail for a couple hours until they are processed does what in terms of consequences today? It's the same thing, the consequences don't occur until court much later.

Honest question, someone committing terrorism and/or vandalizing and entering a government building like today would be allowed to leave after a couple hours? I really don't know, but I'd like to think they'd be held indefinitely. Even Trump said anyone doing something like what happened to the Capitol today would be a 10 year jail sentence.

I do understand your points, but to me today was just a lot different. These people weren't looting a Starbucks or throwing bricks through a window at McDonald's this was next level. To me letting them walk out is just kinda insane.

And this is not directed at you, but I do wonder how many would be allowed to leave that building if they were muslim, or had brown or black skin? Or came from another country? I think I know the answer.

[Minnie]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1346979784421756928

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Ped

I realize that you're trying to be the same obnoxious troll as ever, but you're actually fairly close. Some riots aren't right - but they are necessary to change injustice.


And some are just bat#### stupid people being stupid. Like this one.


Wonder which one you would rather attend?

Violence leads to escalation of violence. It's always been this way. That's why a functioning society agrees to give the government (ie the police), a monopoly on violence.

As far as I can tell, all Americans seem to share one trait: they all think their problems are exclusively the fault of someone else.

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Cruz is on the wrong side of everything.

I disagree. He's on the right side of the border.

[Minnie]

Pence just spoke from the Senate floor. McConnell just called him Mr President. Whoa.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Pence just spoke from the Senate floor. McConnell just called him Mr President. Whoa.

Pretty sure that’s his title in the senate. President of the senate