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Old 09-15-2016, 10:51 AM   #581
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I've been having some Shaw issues over the past week or two, and I'm actually a bit stumped. Perhaps the CP brain trust can tell me if I'm missing anything. A short novel is to follow.

I use my internet connection for a lot of uploading - I often VPN in to my home network to access files, and I use a Slingbox fairly often. That's why the 150/15 plan was so appealing. When I first got it, speedtests for uploads were 15-16 Mbps, which is fantastic. In recent weeks, speedtests are now averaging about 12 for upload. Not terrible, but not what they used to be. I could probably live with 12 though.

Despite the decent speedtest, my performance over VPN is abysmal. I would expect that my download/transfer speed over the VPN would be close to that of my upload speed at home. I am averaging about 2 Mbps. My slingbox, although not an HD version, could theoretically be getting a rate of 3 or 4 Mbps, but again it is maxing out at below 2.

So I'm thinking it is my router, obviously. So I soft reset my router. No change. Then I factory reset my router. No change. I also soft and hard reset the modem, again with no change.

The Shaw tech suggested that I use my second IP (didn't even know I had one included) and a different router. So I did that and I hooked up my old router, set it up as a VPN server, and tested it out. Exact same performance - decent speedtests under normal circumstances, but as soon as I VPN or slingbox, it maxes out around 2. Both my current router, and this second router, worked fine with VPN traffic previously. In fact, I was getting similar or better VPN performance on my old 25/2.5 plan.

For the sake of being thorough:
- Any type of QoS is confirmed disabled on both routers.
- I have tried to VPN from various wired and wireless networks, LTE, etc. with no change.
- I have used two different VPN protocols (OpenVPN and the outdated PPTP) with no change.
- I used Pingtest.net and there didn't seem to be anything like lost packets plaguing the connection.
- I have tried putting the Slingbox in a DMZ to rule our a port issue, but no change.

And the real head scratcher is that I have an identical setup at my office. The exact same ASUS router, the exact same Hitron modem, and the exact same internet plan of 150/15. When I VPN into my office and run a speedtest, I am getting download speeds of 14 or 15, which is exactly what you'd expect with my office upload speed of 15.

Shaw says that their levels, modem, and network in the area are just fine. But the problems persist with two different routers and VPN protocols, when both worked fine previously. Shaw had an outage in my area (Tuscany) last Wednesday, and although I can't say for sure, these problems appeared around then. Possible coincidence, I suppose. Shaw also claims not to throttle VPN connections, which I do actually believe. My outbound VPN connection to my office works fine, for example.

So what am I missing here? This is clearly a Shaw problem, isn't it? Either their modem or network? Is it possible for a modem and/or network to perform decently with a "normal" speedtest, and crap the bed on a VPN and Slingbox connection?

Sorry for the rambles, but this one has me stumped. Shaw is sending out a tech on Monday, but I have a feeling he'll do what they've already over live chat: confirm that the levels are OK, run a speedtest, and then dust their hands of it.
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Old 09-15-2016, 02:06 PM   #582
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Yes Shaw is testing a new software for the Hitron modem that fixes this issue. This is only an issue if you bridged the modem. You could call Shaw to turn the eRouter back on and it will not happen. If you still want to use your own router you can use the IP passthrough feature. Or you just wait for a month or too.
So I can unbridge my modem, and use IP passthough for my wifi router with no issues? I may do that.....
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:49 PM   #583
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I am having an odd problem with shaw 150...with wireless I get 160 plus all the time on my laptop but when wired to the cisco modem my speeds are worse!

My PS4 and Xbox also have worse speeds when wired, its driving me crazy I just fished wires through the walls to my basement.

any ideas? thanks in advance
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Old 09-15-2016, 03:51 PM   #584
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What are your wires plugged into? A seeprate switch? Is it 1Gbps?
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Old 09-15-2016, 04:02 PM   #585
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What are your wires plugged into? A seeprate switch? Is it 1Gbps?
plugged directly into the modem
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Old 09-15-2016, 06:09 PM   #586
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Hrmm, that is interesting. I'd suggest a dodgy cable, but if it is happening on more than one device, I'm not sure.
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I'm not very familiar with VPN, so apologies in advance if this a dumb question or suggestion: is your VPN web based? If it is, do you have it port forwarded in your router settings? With the Hitron, you can't even enter the admin page in a browser. On my old Cisco, though, I could check the settings on both my router and the Shaw router to ensure any ports were probably forwarded on both (for example, for FTP).
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Old 09-15-2016, 09:03 PM   #588
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I'm not very familiar with VPN, so apologies in advance if this a dumb question or suggestion: is your VPN web based? If it is, do you have it port forwarded in your router settings? With the Hitron, you can't even enter the admin page in a browser. On my old Cisco, though, I could check the settings on both my router and the Shaw router to ensure any ports were probably forwarded on both (for example, for FTP).
In this case (with both routers), the routers themselves are the VPN servers. So just by enabling the VPN server on each device, they do allow their traffic through their firewall. So there are no ports to open/forward per se, as the router opens them when the VPN server is enabled.

I've got the Hitron modem working in bridged mode, so that renders it just a "dumb" modem, and all routing and firewall features are disabled.

Randomly, for about 5 minutes earlier this evening, I was able to get a reasonable throughput through the VPN. I thought that maybe it was fixed, but it reverted back to the really slow levels shortly thereafter. In the 5 minutes, I was able to test both routers and my slingbox, and the speed increase was noticeable on each. As fleeting as it was, I was able to confirm that all 3 independent devices were able to take advantage of the brief increase in speed, which further rules out my equipment as the problem.

I booked a service call for next week regardless, so we'll see what they say.
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:30 AM   #589
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I am having an odd problem with shaw 150...with wireless I get 160 plus all the time on my laptop but when wired to the cisco modem my speeds are worse!

My PS4 and Xbox also have worse speeds when wired, its driving me crazy I just fished wires through the walls to my basement.

any ideas? thanks in advance
Are you sure those devices are capable of that speed? As an example the Apple TV 4 does about 90mb wired but 180 on wireless ac. in most cases this is a hardware limitation on the device.
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Are you sure those devices are capable of that speed? As an example the Apple TV 4 does about 90mb wired but 180 on wireless ac. in most cases this is a hardware limitation on the device.
I was curious, so I looked this up. Sure enough, the Apple TV 4 does 802.11ac, but is limited to 10/100 on the ethernet port.

Seriously, Apple? Of all the things you could have cheaped out on, you picked the gigabit ethernet card?

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP724?locale=en_GB
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I was curious, so I looked this up. Sure enough, the Apple TV 4 does 802.11ac, but is limited to 10/100 on the ethernet port.

Seriously, Apple? Of all the things you could have cheaped out on, you picked the gigabit ethernet card?

https://support.apple.com/kb/SP724?locale=en_GB
Here's the thing: Nothing the Apple TV does requires bandwidth over 100mbps. Even 4K streams are sub 50mbps, so why waste money on something that will likely never be used?

That, and how will Apple continue to sell devices if they are still useful beyond 2 years?
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My surface 3 gets 80mbps download over the 5g wireless connection that's built into the modem. Should I be expecting to get 150mbps download?
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Old 09-16-2016, 10:57 AM   #593
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Just to update it was in fact an issue with the cable itself...replaced the brand new cable with an old one I had laying around and I'm getting full speed on wired.

thanks for all the suggestions
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Stupid cables. Always the last thing you suspect. Especially if they are new...
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Old 09-16-2016, 12:04 PM   #595
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I did re-seat my coax cable for my mysterious Shaw issue, but I think I'm going to try swapping it entirely tonight. When I did install my new modem, I re-used the existing coax cable. So you never know...
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Stupid cables. Always the last thing you suspect. Especially if they are new...
yeah, funny enough the old cable looked all twisted and ####ty so I went out and bought a new one...that didn't work properly
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yeah, funny enough the old cable looked all twisted and ####ty so I went out and bought a new one...that didn't work properly
The new cable could be defective, but my guess is it is CAT 5. CAT 5 is limited to speeds under 100Mbps. You need to get at least CAT 5e if not CAT 6 for up to gigabit speeds.
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So many people have old cat 5 cables, 100BaseT switches laying around as part of their existing home networks and will try to reuse those. You will not get the full speed and will be capped at anywhere between 70-80Mbps on that. Seems to be the biggest issue switching to the higher speeds.
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The new cable could be defective, but my guess is it is CAT 5. CAT 5 is limited to speeds under 100Mbps. You need to get at least CAT 5e if not CAT 6 for up to gigabit speeds.
no the new cable was 5e...its just no good, returned it
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no the new cable was 5e...its just no good, returned it
Ah...the Oilers of Cabling.
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