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Moneyhands23 · 10-25-2016, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

Aside from losing a old D man (no big loss) it's really just nashville that should be really really worried.

24 mil in the last year! That's crazy talk

Insufficient Funds · 10-25-2016, 08:53 AM

Yeah I'm sure the league will bail them out just like they did with the Devils. They should at least lose a first round pick though and maybe some hefty fines.

East Coast Flame · 10-25-2016, 08:54 AM

Seriously, there is zero chance they will be paying that

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 08:56 AM

It is really unfortunate that fans have such little trust in the integrity of the league to uphold these recapture penalties.

Problem is, they are right. Weber probably retires in 2023 and there is no way the league is going to force an $8 million cap penalty to hold them back for 3 years.

The same thing will happen for Hossa, despite the Hawks having won 3 Cup with an unbelievably unfair contract.

Flamenspiel · 10-25-2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by East Coast Flame

Seriously, there is zero chance they will be paying that

They will be paying it, that is guaranteed. Pronger is still being paid.

They may allow some sort of cap relief but there is no way Nashville will not pay the player.

All in all though, at this early stage it looks like Montreal moves this year have worked out, Radulov and Shaw have been good pick ups as well.

Lubicon · 10-25-2016, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I think for a team like Nashville who are always trying to get more people out to the games Subban is just a better fit. He's a more exciting player and he's more personable/charismatic. He has that ability to attract new fans.
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Absolutely agree with this. He has the capability to generate a lot of excitement in Nashville and his personality is perfect. He can also be a great role model for the African American community and the potential is there for the team to build a fan base here. Sounds like he loves the city too so off the ice this appears to be a win-win so far for both the organization and the player.

He's already cross promoting with the Titans it would seem.

http://www.thescore.com/news/1135544

Weitz · 10-25-2016, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

They will be paying it, that is guaranteed. Pronger is still being paid.

They may allow some sort of cap relief but there is no way Nashville will not pay the player.

You are confused.

SuperMatt18 · 10-25-2016, 09:04 AM

To be fair to those teams there was no rule against those contracts when they were signed.

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 09:04 AM

Pronger is on LTIR and not a recapture penalty.

The team (Nashville) doesn't actually owe any cash under any circumstances to Weber any more. All we're talking about is a cap penalty.

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

To be fair to those teams there was no rule against those contracts when they were signed.

Chicago doesn't win 3 Cups without that Hossa contract though.

Either they should have restructured the calculation of their cap hits when the new rule was introduced, or they should be given a recapture penalty. We know the former didn't happen, so they should be penalized for having a significant advantage over the other teams.

Senator Clay Davis · 10-25-2016, 09:06 AM

Someone will take that $24 million hit to get to the cap floor, especially when it doesn't actually cost any real dollars.

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Someone will take that $24 million hit to get to the cap floor, especially when it doesn't actually cost any real dollars.

I don't think that can be traded. I mean, they already traded Weber and they are still stuck with the penalty. All that matters now is when Weber retires.

of course nothing matters because the league will rescind it anyway

DJones · 10-25-2016, 09:16 AM

I still think it was a good trade for both teams. Nashville got the more skilled, flashier player. Montreal got the player that fits their team better and the better contract.

When you have Price, you want a safe dependable #1. Not someone that leaves your goalie hanging. That ruins your goalie advantage.

Nashville has already spent the majority of the cash. In two years Weber will only cost 6 million per year and all of the risk is Nashvilles.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-25-2016, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Insufficient Funds

Yeah I'm sure the league will bail them out just like they did with the Devils. They should at least lose a first round pick though and maybe some hefty fines.

I keep hearing this, but I really don't agree. Nashville would have never structured Weber's contract this way of their own volition - Philadelphia went Philadelphia and tried to steal Shea Weber. I believe this was the same offseason where they lost Suter, and to lose both in one summer would have been devastating.

In the same way Feaster structured the O'Reilly offersheet in such a way that Colorado would need to qualify him at $6.5+ in the hope it would be enough to get them to walk away, the Flyers gave Weber something like $60 million in cash in the first four years of the deal to discourage the notoriously cash poor Predators from matching.

Nashville told the Flyers to go **** themselves. The $24M cap recapture is garbage, and the league will be justified in finding a way to absolve the Predators of it. Maybe a 2nd rounder or something. They don't deserve the cap penalty, and they don't deserve to lose a 1st round pick because they didn't roll over and let Philadelphia steal their captain and face of the franchise.

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 05:24 PM

Nobody forced the Predators to sign that contract.

They absolutely deserve a cap penalty.

Knut · 10-25-2016, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Nobody forced the Predators to sign that contract.

They absolutely deserve a cap penalty.

Flyers kind of did

GreenLantern2814 · 10-25-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Nobody forced the Predators to sign that contract.

They absolutely deserve a cap penalty.

Yes; they were absolutely forced to sign the contract. Offersheets come with a time crunch.

Nashville may well have given Weber a Suter-type teenage years $100M deal. But they wouldn't have given him $60M over the first four, which is why that recapture is so absurd.

If anyone deserves that cap hit, it's the Flyers.

Oil Stain · 10-25-2016, 05:29 PM

I think if Weber is done at that point the Predators will just trade to get him back and pay him his million a year to sit in the press box.

Ashasx · 10-25-2016, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Yes; they were absolutely forced to sign the contract. Offersheets come with a time crunch.

Nashville may well have given Weber a Suter-type teenage years $100M deal. But they wouldn't have given him $60M over the first four, which is why that recapture is so absurd.

If anyone deserves that cap hit, it's the Flyers.

No, they absolutely were not forced to sign him.

Nashville could have chosen not to match the offer sheet, and Weber would have been a Flyer. They would have been compensated with four 1st round picks. Nobody forced Nashville to do anything.

They signed on the dotted line, they should face the consequences.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-25-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

No, they absolutely were not forced to sign him.

Nashville could have chosen not to match the offer sheet, and Weber would have been a Flyer. They would have been compensated with four 1st round picks. Nobody forced Nashville to do anything.

They signed on the dotted line, they should face the consequences.

For matching an offersheet that wasn't even illegal at the time it was signed?

No way.