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[saXon]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Boudreau was a coach that actually coached against the Flames the past few years including the playoffs. Even if he wasn't the target why wouldn't you talk to him? Maybe he just moved too fast into his next job, but they never seemed to even make the effort and if Francis can be believed (I know I know) they couldn't be bothered. My issue isn't that they talked to Yeo it's who they didn't talk to.

Maybe the curse will finally be broken next year!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Boudreau was a coach that actually coached against the Flames the past few years including the playoffs. Even if he wasn't the target why wouldn't you talk to him? Maybe he just moved too fast into his next job, but they never seemed to even make the effort and if Francis can be believed (I know I know) they couldn't be bothered. My issue isn't that they talked to Yeo it's who they didn't talk to.

Is your issue that they weren't interested and you feel they should have been, or do you think they may have been interested but didn't make enough effort to talk to him.

[Textcritic]

Where are people getting the idea that the Flames have interviewed Carlyle? From all the information I have seen reported (which is next to nothing) the only interview to take place so far that we know of was Yeo's, and it likely only happened because he is in Russia on an off-day for TC.

I'm still of the strong opinion that no one outside the Flames org. has any idea about what is happening with this hire.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Where are people getting the idea that the Flames have interviewed Carlyle? From all the information I have seen reported (which is next to nothing) the only interview to take place so far that we know of was Yeo's, and it likely only happened because he is in Russia on an off-day for TC.

I'm still of the strong opinion that no one outside the Flames org. has any idea about what is happening with this hire.

Darren Dreger

"So, the Calgary Flames should be looking to move quickly (unless they think Darryl Sutter may become available). To that end, the Flames are expected to interview former Toronto Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle on Monday, reports TSN’s Darren Dreger."

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Darren Dreger

"So, the Calgary Flames should be looking to move quickly (unless they think Darryl Sutter may become available). To that end, the Flames are expected to interview former Toronto Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle on Monday, reports TSN’s Darren Dreger."

Dreger is clueless as usual. Why would they be looking to move quickly? What is the rush? And is Carlyle going to Russia for an interview? If not, then Monday seems unlikely.

[1qqaaz]

I don't know. None of this stuff is really news anyways. I'm the sure Flames are interviewing many people.

It would be more interesting if we knew that that Flames were not interviewing Carlyle. That would give us some insight as to what they're looking for.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Darren Dreger



"So, the Calgary Flames should be looking to move quickly (unless they think Darryl Sutter may become available). To that end, the Flames are expected to interview former Toronto Maple Leafs coach Randy Carlyle on Monday, reports TSN’s Darren Dreger."

Yeah, I've seen his tweets/reports linked several times in the past few days on CP, and they only serve to reinforce my opinion that no one in the media knows what the hell is going on.

[GoJetsGo]

Sign Sutter, swap Wideman for Iggy, profit?

[psyang]

John Shannon tweeted that the Flames asked Toronto for permission to talk to Carlyle. That's more than mere speculation that Calgary is interested.

[madmike]

Oh man. Please not Carlyle.

[kukkudo]

I think its just a courtesy interview and nothing else. Maybe he becomes an assistant and nothing more.

[OzSome]

Why would the Flames need permissions from Minnesota (Yeo) or Toronto (Carlyle)? They both get fired because these teams doesn't want them anymore. I know they are probably getting some salary from these teams respectively, but it is stupid. I am not saying I want any of these two to coach the Flames. I just find it stupid.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by OzSome

Why would the Flames need permissions from Minnesota (Yeo) or Toronto (Carlyle)? They both get fired because these teams doesn't want them anymore. I know they are probably getting some salary from these teams respectively, but it is stupid. I am not saying I want any of these two to coach the Flames. I just find it stupid.

It's just a contractual process that has to be followed nothing more. If teams bypassed the coaches contractual employer they could be open to league discipline.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Is your issue that they weren't interested and you feel they should have been, or do you think they may have been interested but didn't make enough effort to talk to him.

I think they should have been interested, definitely, and I'm surprised that they (apparently) didn't contact him at all.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It would probably be better to look at a range like 10-20 within the past 15 years or so as drafts can vary from year to year.

Personally, I think adding the two 2nd rounders negates the risk for the Bruins. Out of those 3 picks, there is a really good chance that at least one pans out. Until those picks show fruition, I think the trade is a win for Treliving because less risk like you said, but not the home run most others do.

If you go 10 - 20 for sure it's closer to 60% but that's not a 60% chance of turning into a top 2-3 defender, that's playing 100 games.

For the 2nd round picks its 33% so two of them you get 66% and once again that's for playing 100 games.

I think a study into how many times it's made sense to trade a given for two 2/3 chances at a guy that plays a season would be very very low, hence the theft on Treliving's part.

Having said that, he basically paid the going rate of a RFA walking so the steal is more in getting it done without competing and leaving other GMs with their mouths agape.

Why the Bruins didn't just go into summer and see what happened is beyond me.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Yeah, looking at him now he's a Regehr-like mean streak, an accurate bomb slapshot and a bit more experience away from being a truly elite #1 D-man. Gio will eventually decline and settle into an extremely steadily #3.

Then you realize Dougie is still 3 years younger than Brodie. And defencemen age like fine cheese...

Reggie didn't have that mean streak at 21.....Sutter came and injected him with Sutter venom in '03.

I still remember being at the Leafs game that year and watching Regher absolutely abuse Owen Nolan until he ended up jumping Reg. Was thinking "where did that come from?" and it never went away.

So Hamilton has 2 years to develop some grrrr.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Reggie didn't have that mean streak at 21.....Sutter came and injected him with Sutter venom in '03.

I still remember being at the Leafs game that year and watching Regher absolutely abuse Owen Nolan until he ended up jumping Reg. Was thinking "where did that come from?" and it never went away.

So Hamilton has 2 years to develop some grrrr.

Wasn't there a story that it was actually Bob Boughner was one of the guys that took Reggie aside during that 02/03 season as well and told him it was time for him to use his size.

Actually that is a name I wouldn't mind trying to poach as an associate coach.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's just a contractual process that has to be followed nothing more. If teams bypassed the coaches contractual employer they could be open to league discipline.

Couldn't the former team even ask for compensation in this case?

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If you go 10 - 20 for sure it's closer to 60% but that's not a 60% chance of turning into a top 2-3 defender, that's playing 100 games.

For the 2nd round picks its 33% so two of them you get 66% and once again that's for playing 100 games.

I think a study into how many times it's made sense to trade a given for two 2/3 chances at a guy that plays a season would be very very low, hence the theft on Treliving's part.

Having said that, he basically paid the going rate of a RFA walking so the steal is more in getting it done without competing and leaving other GMs with their mouths agape.

Why the Bruins didn't just go into summer and see what happened is beyond me.

It's an even bigger steal than you're suggesting, as 2 33% chances does not make a 66% chance

Hamilton still has #1 D upside, too...with a reasonably high chance of meeting that potential.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

It's an even bigger steal than you're suggesting, as 2 33% chances does not make a 66% chance

In this case, it does, because you are not limited to one player. The events are stochastically independent. If you break it down—

11% – both picks play 100 games – 2 x 0.11 = 0.22
44% – one plays 100 games, one doesn't – 1 x 0.44 = 0.44
45% – neither pick plays 100 games – 0 x 0.45 = 0

Which adds up to a statistical chance equal to 0.66 of a 100-game player.