[News] Flames to pick 6th in 2016 draft

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Also, for the record out of all the guys ranked in the top 10 the one I want the Flames to avoid at all costs is Chychrun. The more I have seen of him more the more I see a guy with an outstanding set of tools and absolutely no tool box.

Agreed. Guys who have all the tools but suspect hockey sense scare me. I don't think hockey players who haven't figured that stuff out by 18 can just be taught it. Not reliably, anyway. It's okay to take flyer on those sorts of prospects with a later pick (ie Kylington). But dropping the 6th overall pick on a guy you hope will be able to put it all together is too risky. Sergachev seems to offer almost as much upside as Chychrun in a less risky package.

[nightfx]

If the Flames think Brown is the BPA at 6 then they should take him at 6. I remember Mark Scheifele was projected to go 10-15 around where the Flames were picking at the time and the Jets ended up taking him at 7 and I doubt they regret it one bit.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

[Logan Brown] just seemed to appear from no where

Brown didn't come from nowhere?

Let's look at cra12's list:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2016-nhl...minary-top-60/

Brown was ranked the 5th best prospect back in July. Ahead of Laine, Dubois, Juolevi, Sergachyev, Nylander.

"oh, but he fell off early in the year". Okay, so he was struggling to build consistency early on. But things like this were still posted midseason:

"This big fella is a conundrum to me as he has so much talent and projectable upside but ultimately I leave the rink after many Windsor games disappointed and wanting more from him. Reminds me of how I viewed Ryan Johansen in Portland during his draft season.

But did he find that consistency? As has been mentioned, yes, later in the season he was much more consistent. 29 points in his last 19 games, and a dominant U18s where he put up 4-9-13 in nine games.

So let's recap:

- Top 5 in this draft Upside has been there since before the season started.
- Consistency was an issue
- then Consistency stopped being an issue
- Being ranked top 5 in some final rankings while putting up very respectably draft year numbers as a 17 year old.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I think that is too steep of a price to move up 2 spots and within the same tier. I think if the Flames are happy with anybody from 4-6 but do have a preference then I think the most they'd give up to go from 6th to 4th is a 2nd. But who knows.

I think the Flames second probably should do it (it being a fair trade)... that being said it's an in-division trade between rivals so I wouldn't be surprised it it took more.

That being said I don't really want to pay anything to move up to 4. I think we'll get one of Dubois or Tkatchuk at 6 and I don't have a preference to either that I'd want to pay a 2nd to get. If we're talking about trading up to 4 I'd rather see what it would cost to move up to three.

[dammage79]

Trade Down, grab McLeod, grab extra bullets to trade for a #1 goalie or a top end RW, call it a day. I have an unshakable faith that Mike McLeod is getting over looked big time.

Size? Check. 6'2 187lbs. Same size as Monny in his draft year.
Speed? I read a lot of reports saying he is MacKinnon fast or even read a couple guys say he is right there with McDavid.

Does he need time to develop? absolutely. And I have no issues with that.

Give me the right shot player with the great foundation of size and speed and IQ and let the rest develop. At this point I'd take him over Nylander but that can change.

I haven't been as high on a Canadian kid since Bennett/Ekblad.

[nightfx]

My issue with McLeod is shot needs a lot of improvement, at this point he's like a big Matthew Lombardi.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nightfx

My issue with McLeod is shot needs a lot of improvement, at this point he's like a big Matthew Lombardi.

Agree. It does need work. Might need a new stick or just more pactice taking shots. But that's about the only slight on the player. Need to think shot more often. Needs to improve his shot.

The rest of the package is top 6 material.

[Magnum PEI]

Drafting the top Canadian forward OHLer is as close to a safe bet as you can get. Even Tom Wilson is an impact player.

[Trailer Fire]

An Oiler friend of mine (who is decently level headed and is generally ashamed of the Oilers of the last 10 years and who also outright cheered when they didn't win the draft lotto) asked if we would trade Dallas' 1st (if it is intact a 1st) Calgarys 2nd, and Hickey for #4. I honestly wonder if he is a closet Flames fan.

[Krynn]

Now that's an interesting trade if I was the flames I would think long and hard about that one .my 1st round pick hehe if they make the WCF our own second round this year and Hickey for deadmonton 1st 4 overall. I would do it but not if it was our first overall

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

An Oiler friend of mine (who is decently level headed and is generally ashamed of the Oilers of the last 10 years and who also outright cheered when they didn't win the draft lotto) asked if we would trade Dallas' 1st (if it is intact a 1st) Calgarys 2nd, and Hickey for #4. I honestly wonder if he is a closet Flames fan.

Wait, so we end up with #4OA and #6OA without giving up much?

That's a no-brainer. You could come out of the draft with Dubois+Sergachyev. Edmonton would have to be idiotic to take that deal.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Edmonton would have to be idiotic to take that deal.

[Trailer Fire]

He is apparently very high on Hickey. I value Andersson higher than Hickey and he prefers Hickey.

Honestly I would add a Conditional 1st in 2017. In that if Calgary makes the PO's they fork over their 1st, but if they don't it becomes a 2nd.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Brown didn't come from nowhere?

Let's look at cra12's list:

http://thehockeywriters.com/2016-nhl...minary-top-60/

Brown was ranked the 5th best prospect back in July. Ahead of Laine, Dubois, Juolevi, Sergachyev, Nylander.

"oh, but he fell off early in the year". Okay, so he was struggling to build consistency early on. But things like this were still posted midseason:



But did he find that consistency? As has been mentioned, yes, later in the season he was much more consistent. 29 points in his last 19 games, and a dominant U18s where he put up 4-9-13 in nine games.

So let's recap:

- Top 5 in this draft Upside has been there since before the season started.
- Consistency was an issue
- then Consistency stopped being an issue
- Being ranked top 5 in some final rankings while putting up very respectably draft year numbers as a 17 year old.

I know some people love Johansen but IMO he's one of those frustrating guys that doesn't have it some nights. If Brown's going to be one of those guys that needs motivation all the time I would rather pick a player with a better motor.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know some people love Johansen but IMO he's one of those frustrating guys that doesn't have it some nights. If Brown's going to be one of those guys that needs motivation all the time I would rather pick a player with a better motor.

I get what your saying but the guy is only 23 years old with a ton of room for improvement. he has been a very good player at a very young age already (on some bad teams in Columbus remember). Patience.



If you get anything close to a guy like him at #6.....you take it and run.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Krynn

Now that's an interesting trade if I was the flames I would think long and hard about that one .my 1st round pick hehe if they make the WCF our own second round this year and Hickey for deadmonton 1st 4 overall. I would do it but not if it was our first overall

I wouldn't have to think long and hard at this at all

28, 35 and Hickey for 4? That's a slam dunk for the Flames

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know some people love Johansen but IMO he's one of those frustrating guys that doesn't have it some nights. If Brown's going to be one of those guys that needs motivation all the time I would rather pick a player with a better motor.

Same here. I prefer Dubois, Keller, Jost, and Sergachyev over him. Maybe Rubtsov too.

That said, if you get a RyJo level NHLer and it doesn't work out, you can trade him pretty easily.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Wait, so we end up with #4OA and #6OA without giving up much?

That's a no-brainer. You could come out of the draft with Dubois+Sergachyev. Edmonton would have to be idiotic to take that deal.

Im not following. How do we end up with 60th pick?

[MrMastodonFarm]

He means 6th overall.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Im not following. How do we end up with 60th pick?

4th pick and 6th pick not 60th