2014 Training Camp Cuts. UPD: Oct 5 - Baertschi, Jooris and Ortio cut

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I only got to see the pre-season game last night, but it sounds from here that Jooris had a great camp, so a bit disappointing they couldn't find a spot for him.

I am wondering 2 things - maybe they have no interest in burying money in the AHL (no one was taking Setogouchi on waivers). 2-way contracts go down.
Also - are the coaches, GM, & Burke all seeing something in Sven we aren't?

We are a 27th place team. I'm wondering why Johnny Hockey hasn't been sent down to the AHL to tear it up and enjoy a winning culture - a beef up at the same time.

Sending Jooris down is one thing but demoting Gaudreau would simply be absurd and everyone in the org probably knows it. He has more talent than 2 Hudlers.

[Clever_Iggy]

People are too focused on the opening day roster. Patience through the first quarter of the season. Last year there were plenty of opportunities for young guys throughout the season. I see no difference, assuming the inevitability of injuries and (hopefully trades), with opportunities this year.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Jooris was amazing what are they doing!?!?

... making a decision (IMO the right one) on the basis of total body of work & long-term team needs vs. a handful of exhibition games.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by RyZ

All the 1 way contracts make the team with a single rookie. Rebuild my ass.

"Meritocracy" was/is just a BS buzz word....again.

Most fans and I'm sure the young guys themselves are likely very frustrated and dissapointed.

Rebuild my ass?

These poor vets will not improve the team, them staying around will, if anything, probably make us worse. I'd say keeping Jooris and demoting Setoguchi would have been worse for the rebuild than the opposite.

I understand we are all annoyed at the likes of Jones and Setoguchi being kept around, I am too. Yes, it does fly in the face of all the stuff they've said this week, but we all knew from the beginning that all the 1 way guys would be pretty hard to send down. Doesn't the cap floor come in play as well?

[Brick]

The three best rookies still remain...Bennett, Gaudreau, & Granlund...

There are only so many spots and earning them may require much more than one training camp and a few pre-season games...

We all need to have some patience.

[The Fonz]

Setoguchi is going to be given a shot, due to contract. If he brings his game back to what it was a couple years ago, he'll be a great asset at the deadline.

That being said, if he continues his play from the preseason, I wouldn't be surprised to see him sent down 15 games into the regular season.

[djsFlames]

Opening night roster does not equal not making the team at some point this year.

The december roster will look different from out october roster. And our march roster will look probably very different from our december roster.

Just because they want to give Seto an opportunity doesn't mean Jooris or Baertschi won't be up with the team in a month and maybe even stick the rest of the year.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Came expecting a great deal of crying and whining about Setoguchi. Leaving satisfied.

Completely unsurprised that the Flames are going to give him a chance into the regular season - and anyone paying attention should have expected it. That said, barring a major improvement, I still think he ends up on waivers before October is out.

Two sets of rules here:

Veterans - Given even though not earned. Guaranteed a roster spot on opening day.

Rookies - Always earned, never given... and still maybe not given unless there is an open spot with no veteran to fill it.

Meritocracy my ass!

[ignite09]

Whatever. While I disagree with who management thinks should make the team, it's no big deal. Injuries happen, trades happen, and I expect another three or so prospects will be NHL regulars by the end of the season. I mean it could he worse, we could be Edmonton trying to figure out which one of our under achieving prospects we should gift wrap a spot to.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Two sets of rules here:

Veterans - Given even though not earned. Guaranteed a roster spot on opening day.

Rookies - Always earned, never given... and still maybe not given unless there is an open spot with no veteran to fill it.

Meritocracy my ass!

Welcome to the real world. All the crying in in the world won't change it.

Also, as noted by others, you're losing perspective (as usual). Just because these guys aren't here for game 1 doesn't mean they won't be coming up by game 10, or 20. They are giving Setoguchi an extended lock. They know what Baertschi will bring.

[PeteMoss]

The amount of rage over Josh Jooris who has the NHL upside of perhaps a poor man's Lance Bouma may be a bit overblown.

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

People are too focused on the opening day roster. Patience through the first quarter of the season. Last year there were plenty of opportunities for young guys throughout the season. I see no difference, assuming the inevitability of injuries and (hopefully trades), with opportunities this year.

This is true. The disappointment isn't from the thought that the young players won't see the NHL this season. For sure we can expect to see a bunch of them get a bunch of games in over the course of the season.

I think the issue people have at this point is that Hartley and Treliving kept insisting throughout camp that roster decisions would be based on merit, and that there were spots available for the taking.

What did a player like Setoguchi do that Jooris didn't?

It's the credibility piece for me that's conspicuously missing.

[edslunch]

The decision itself is ok, it's the optics that aren't great

[Bourque's Twin]

Jooris can still learn lots in the AHL. I watched him closely during the game he scored 2 goals. He tried harder than anyone but he's still not as strong on his feet as a veteran would be, including Seto. It would be nice to reward him by having him stay, but he'll get rewarded as soon as a 3rd or 4th line guy gets injured and he's called up. Let him play a bigger role in the AHL on a winning team.

I was really rooting for Sven, because he looked like a completely different player this year. Nonetheless, I think he will dominate the AHL and be called up to stick.

[Brad Marsh]

Originally Posted by Parallex

... making a decision (IMO the right one) on the basis of total body of work & long-term team needs vs. a handful of exhibition games.

Then don't tell the players and the fan base throughout those handful of exhibition games that there are roster spots available and that roster decisions would be based on what's earned during camp.

[herashak]

Don't talk that always earned never given about jooris, he's been good for 3 weeks. How is it surprising he got cut? If he played like reinhart in the AHL last year and had a camp like he did he probably makes the team. But he wasn't all that impressive in the AHL and with only one good camp in him he has by no means earned an nhl spot.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Welcome to the real world. All the crying in in the world won't change it.

Also, as noted by others, you're losing perspective (as usual). Just because these guys aren't here for game 1 doesn't mean they won't be coming up by game 10, or 20. They are giving Setoguchi an extended lock. They know what Baertschi will bring.

Setoguchi has had an extended look for the last three years. He's garbage. He had training camp to prove he's a different player than what he's shown in the past few years. He should have come in here gung-ho and played his ass off. He didn't. Why should we expect anything different in the regular season? Whats different this year than past years? Nothing.

[nik-]

like someone else mentioned before, Jooris was just this years "that guy". Who knows if he ever gets up here for more than a sip of espresso and a biscotti.

[ignite09]

On a side note, I'm really interested to see Baertschi's response to this demotion. If he goes down there and works his ass off, I expect his AHL career to be short lived. If he regresses like he did after last years demotion, I highly doubt he's part of the Flames organization by years end.

[Enoch Root]

People seem to think meritocracy is an absolute that can only be decided upon, and applied, on opening night. Relax - it is an ongoing process.

As for Jooris - he had a great camp and has put himself on the map with respect to being a legitimate NHL prospect. I congratulate him and look forward to an eventual call-up.

Baertschi needs more development time. He'll be back also.