This post is directed at everyone who questioned my motive. I knew I was leaving town for most of the weekend. I did not want to die before I could use my power. I ended up choosing Timbo as a target, because he made a lot of sense, plus gave us an easy vote if he was flipped mafia. All other choices did not further our situation, as there was nobody easily seen as co-conspirator. For somebody that was not on my list I am leary of Baxter renegade as he hasn't contributed much.
I would agree that my suspicions should not be taken as gospel, as I am throwing #### at a fan, hoping something sticks.
This post is directed at everyone who questioned my motive. I knew I was leaving town for most of the weekend. I did not want to die before I could use my power. I ended up choosing Timbo as a target, because he made a lot of sense, plus gave us an easy vote if he was flipped mafia. All other choices did not further our situation, as there was nobody easily seen as co-conspirator. For somebody that was not on my list I am leary of Baxter renegade as he hasn't contributed much.
I would agree that my suspicions should not be taken as gospel, as I am throwing #### at a fan, hoping something sticks.
Looking back now I can see how you were put in a tough position. After people started piling on me today I was rattled and not sure what to do.
I'm curious to your reasons for killing Timbo, but more than that I'm interested to hear your reasons for picking Timbo over Rathji. Rathji was the one who got the ball rolling on you, and even challenged you a couple times to kill him, but you chose to go with Timbo instead. Is there something Rathji did/said that convinced you he is town, even though he was adamant you were Mafia?
Looking back now I can see how you were put in a tough position. After people started piling on me today I was rattled and not sure what to do.
I'm curious to your reasons for killing Timbo, but more than that I'm interested to hear your reasons for picking Timbo over Rathji. Rathji was the one who got the ball rolling on you, and even challenged you a couple times to kill him, but you chose to go with Timbo instead. Is there something Rathji did/said that convinced you he is town, even though he was adamant you were Mafia?
I actually thought it was pretty funny how he made his decision. Timbo called him out a couple of times and finally said "If you're going to kill someone, stop stalling and just do it!" or something like that.
Then the next post was from ineedanother was "kill: Timbo".
Looking back, all this calling out Ineedanother really ruined a great ability. That's why I'm always a little apprehensive at the whole "let's just pressure anyone and see what happens".
Realistically, any one of us is going to sound awkward and defensive when 5 or 6 people jump in and start throwing out accusations and trying to get the ball rolling on your lynching.
It's like transplant99. I decided we should call out the three lowest post counts, then he responded in a way that makes him appear to just be more of a "not that interested" or "busy with work" type of guy than mafia trying to lay low.
Could he still end up being mafia? Sure. I could have kept going at him and others may have joined in (I believe even now he has a couple votes), but at the end of the day we need to be a lot more calculated in our voting than that.
I'm confident we can get someone to slip up enough to warrant a lynching before the end of day 1.
I voted last game for an inactive poster to start and I said I would likely vote an inactive poster this game but just like last game I've read everything and made a post a day. Unfortunately for me this time it set me to the bottom of the post counts so I'm okay as being a target for being low activity (will change now that it's Friday) but Flameswin and now you saying I changed my posting style are wrong and being misleading.
I see you failed to answer reason to vote you out #3!
I’ve been doing a bit more digging into transplant99.
Looking at his post history, it seems like for the most part he is a morning and evening poster.
However there have been times recently that he has been able to post during the work day (M-F, 9-5) ie. the signup thread for this game - 04-14-2014, 02:40 PM CP Mafia 2 – Signup
But what really stands out most is that he has posted regularly/almost daily about playoff hockey since the Mafia signup thread, but once the game started on Tuesday, he’s nowhere to be seen. Then he’s called out this afternoon for inactivity and he’s suddenly back defending himself.
Here's a list of his posts recently (I've bolded the CP Mafia related posts):
04-14-2014, 09:45 AM Does Byron
Sunday
04-13-2014, 02:41 PM 2014 PGA
I think we need some more insight from transplant99 about this post:
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Anyhoo...the reasoning for some seems rather flimsy and after reading the entire series of debates on who to vote for any why, i have to come to the conclusion I did.
I am going to be pretty busy today, so I won't have a chance to reread the thread and figure out if there is better vote than an inactive vote, so for now I am going to throw this one out there as it will get the ball rolling. I think we need more info as the Town and the only way we get that info is by doing a lynch .
vote transplant99
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Hmmhmmcamo, why is transplant99 voting for ineedanother a concern for you?
I mean, a bunch of us did it, based off my suspicion, which seemed logical at the time. But if there is something more to your question that I can't see, it might mean there is more reason than just being inactive.
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We should have someone at least to 10 votes by the end of today so that we are keast in a position to deadline lynch tomorrow. The worst outcome of today is No Lynch. I will move my vote to the leader at the end of today if no one has at least 12 votes.
Strombad, why are you interested in voting out activestick? Ive noticed you pushing it a few times.
For todays vote I am happy going with one of the pileons post ineeds reveal. But if that doesnt net scum then I think we need to look in the opposite direction. I am posting this now in case I am nightkilled. Since the mafia new Ineeds reveal was true and they new that we would focus our lynch around people who continued to vote Ineed and that Ineed would likely kill someone on the list of people to vote for him it would make sense just to stay quiet and let us eat ourselves. So I have gone through people who posted after the reveal and pre kill order. Let me know if their are any ommissions. I also made notes where I felt people werent discussing the vig as that was a pretty big reveal so if you are posting you think you would mention it. Unless you wanted to look involved but be non commital. The bottom list is 4 names who didnt post in that time period (almost 1 day). Some of them could be just inactive at those times, others intentionally hiding. Now this is kind of a wine in front of me type thing as the alternative is that the mafia realizes that being inactive during a big reveal will paint the finger on them which is why we need to test both over today and tomorrow.
People involved in Vig discussion post reveal pre-kill
Dsal
Agulati
Legoman - didnt discuss vig
CC
devo
Streetpharm
Activestick - Didnt discuss vig
GpMatt
CBL - didnt discuss Vig
UCB - didnt discuss Vig
GGG
Strmbad
Starseed
Completely
Oling - didnt discuss vig
Rathji - wierd kill me to prove you are telling the truth when if you are town killing anyone but you is better because there is a 25% chance of killing mafia rather than %100 (is this just poor town or is it pro mafia)
Hockeyguy
Delgar
Bizaro
Timbo - dead townie pile on
Mmmcamo - pile on
Transplat99 - pile on
Kermit - pile on
HD - pile on
CoR
Ineed
People who didnt post in that time frame
Aneas - posted shortly after card flip
Baxter Renagade - generally inactive
Flameswin
Dropit
We should have someone at least to 10 votes by the end of today so that we are keast in a position to deadline lynch tomorrow. The worst outcome of today is No Lynch. I will move my vote to the leader at the end of today if no one has at least 12 votes.
Strombad, why are you interested in voting out activestick? Ive noticed you pushing it a few times.
I've actually got a pretty good reason, one that makes sense to me, but I didn't necessarily want to go to deep unless it looked like it might catch on.
Firstly, everyone looks at low post counts and the content of those posts. ActiveStick (at the time when I had targeted him) had 3 posts (I believe, it may have been just the two) and two of those posts were absolute nothing posts. Just about as valuable as my dope Nic Cage pics. Not enough to hang a guy, but certainly not "contributing." Since then, almost all of his posts (and there's only been a couple) have been defence and "oh this game is crazy" type stuff, nothing (again) of much value.
The problem with this posting style, is that it's very similar to how he started the game last time, but not at all how he finished it. Having been able to watch the last couple weeks KNOWING Active was the serial killer, I saw him lie, and I saw exactly how he did it. I paid express attention to him because, quite frankly, I was a little bit miffed that I didn't suspect him at all. Currently he's laying low, and in my opinion, playing a game of complete self-protection (hiding something? I think so). At the end of the last game, he was a leader, he was doing his best to control the game and put himself out there. He was doing his best to "act" like a townie, so why, if I may ask, is he not doing the same now? When he supposedly IS a townie?
To me, it's undeniable. I might be totally blind, but I firmly believe that after watching him play a game and watching him now, he's playing exactly the way he wants to. Self-preservation and flying under the radar.
I haven't cast my vote for him yet, because I'm alright with being on the same page as others, but hey, if ANYONE wants to be on the same page I am, let's get it done.
He did come up on my list of posting during the vig reveal but not talking about it. I would move onto Activestick to test your theory today if there is support for it. Otherwise its a good starting point for Day 2 if one of the pileons flip town.
I've actually got a pretty good reason, one that makes sense to me, but I didn't necessarily want to go to deep unless it looked like it might catch on.
Firstly, everyone looks at low post counts and the content of those posts. ActiveStick (at the time when I had targeted him) had 3 posts (I believe, it may have been just the two) and two of those posts were absolute nothing posts. Just about as valuable as my dope Nic Cage pics. Not enough to hang a guy, but certainly not "contributing." Since then, almost all of his posts (and there's only been a couple) have been defence and "oh this game is crazy" type stuff, nothing (again) of much value.
The problem with this posting style, is that it's very similar to how he started the game last time, but not at all how he finished it. Having been able to watch the last couple weeks KNOWING Active was the serial killer, I saw him lie, and I saw exactly how he did it. I paid express attention to him because, quite frankly, I was a little bit miffed that I didn't suspect him at all. Currently he's laying low, and in my opinion, playing a game of complete self-protection (hiding something? I think so). At the end of the last game, he was a leader, he was doing his best to control the game and put himself out there. He was doing his best to "act" like a townie, so why, if I may ask, is he not doing the same now? When he supposedly IS a townie?
To me, it's undeniable. I might be totally blind, but I firmly believe that after watching him play a game and watching him now, he's playing exactly the way he wants to. Self-preservation and flying under the radar.
I haven't cast my vote for him yet, because I'm alright with being on the same page as others, but hey, if ANYONE wants to be on the same page I am, let's get it done.
I am a Townie but choose to not post accusations without good enough evidence, and I explained my thought process behind that already.
At this point of the game you can either form theories in your head and share them regardless how baseless they are, but that can aid the Mafia if you're loud enough and persistent enough when you're completely wrong.
I prefer to target people only when there's substantial enough evidence which there isn't at this time.
I think your reasoning is weak.
I posted earlier already, but whenever a Townie is lynched, we need to focus on those that voted him out. The person that led the lynch should be suspected, but I actually think the followers are more likely to be Mafia in these scenarios because the leader of the rally could have just had poor reasoning (as is the case with you suspecting me) while the followers are the ones that use the incorrect target as an opportunity to pile on.
When is the deadline?
I'm probably most comfortable voting ActiveStick, so that's what I'm going to do. If anybody feels my theory is compelling enough, I implore you to join me. It means we get rid of a poster with little in the way of contributions and (in my mind at least) is most definitely monitoring his contributions very purposely. I really think we can't go wrong on this, and I've thrown votes around a bit, so I'm going to make this one and just stick with it.
So how can we go about subtly communicating with the doctor and cop? These two roles are obviously extremely useful, but very difficult to properly utilize as a whole due to the fact that they cant reveal themselves?
Is it a given that the doctor will save Ineedanother come night time since he is the only confirmed townie that is still alive? With the inspectors knowledge each day, how does that benefit the rest of the town? The cop knows someones role, but the rest of us don't know hes the cop and can only assume he is speculating...
Interesting game. I look forward to it getting deeper and folks' true colors shining through.
And hey, of course he's going to say "I think your reasoning is weak."
What is he supposed to say, "Great reason for voting me out!"
Thing is, a townie hasn't been lynched yet, so ALL reasoning is questionable. I'm simply using the most information I possible can from watching him lie last game and now watching him play this game. It's a no-brainer to knock him out.
I've actually got a pretty good reason, one that makes sense to me, but I didn't necessarily want to go to deep unless it looked like it might catch on.
Firstly, everyone looks at low post counts and the content of those posts. ActiveStick (at the time when I had targeted him) had 3 posts (I believe, it may have been just the two) and two of those posts were absolute nothing posts. Just about as valuable as my dope Nic Cage pics. Not enough to hang a guy, but certainly not "contributing." Since then, almost all of his posts (and there's only been a couple) have been defence and "oh this game is crazy" type stuff, nothing (again) of much value.
The problem with this posting style, is that it's very similar to how he started the game last time, but not at all how he finished it. Having been able to watch the last couple weeks KNOWING Active was the serial killer, I saw him lie, and I saw exactly how he did it. I paid express attention to him because, quite frankly, I was a little bit miffed that I didn't suspect him at all. Currently he's laying low, and in my opinion, playing a game of complete self-protection (hiding something? I think so). At the end of the last game, he was a leader, he was doing his best to control the game and put himself out there. He was doing his best to "act" like a townie, so why, if I may ask, is he not doing the same now? When he supposedly IS a townie?
To me, it's undeniable. I might be totally blind, but I firmly believe that after watching him play a game and watching him now, he's playing exactly the way he wants to. Self-preservation and flying under the radar.
I haven't cast my vote for him yet, because I'm alright with being on the same page as others, but hey, if ANYONE wants to be on the same page I am, let's get it done.
I can get on board with this. While I actually have no clue as to who's who, We need to get the ball rolling.
So how can we go about subtly communicating with the doctor and cop? These two roles are obviously extremely useful, but very difficult to properly utilize as a whole due to the fact that they cant reveal themselves?
Is it a given that the doctor will save Ineedanother come night time since he is the only confirmed townie that is still alive? With the inspectors knowledge each day, how does that benefit the rest of the town? The cop knows someones role, but the rest of us don't know hes the cop and can only assume he is speculating...
Interesting game. I look forward to it getting deeper and folks' true colors shining through.
Not to try and gang up on Baxter here, and I realize that we're trying to avoid using comparisons from the last game, but consider the following;
He's new to the game, and;
Last game we ended up finding out that an almost sure-fire tell with mafia/assassin were that they would "ask questions" about the game all the time, and typically avoid the actual discussion of posters.
It was a way to a) be involved without letting anything slip by accident, and b) they thought it would make them appear slightly ignorant to the game, and therefore make people think they couldn't be mafia if they were asking questions.
He's new, he's posted very little. Could he be using the same posting patterns as the mafia last game, unknowingly?
And hey, people shouldn't be worried. On the off chance ActiveStick is town then I obviously become a fairly large target. I'm comfortable with that because I don't think I have to worry about the negative outcome of the risk.
I've got no problem falling on my sword if I'm way off, but I have a really good feeling about it, and the last two times I had a good feeling about someone they were mafia and they went home.
