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Old 12-12-2013, 11:45 AM   #581
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I think the more plausible explanation for Button's resiliency in the organization is that his lists are very good and that his bosses namely Sutter didn't use them.
Burke might have looked his list and seen "maata" instead of "Jankowski" and decided that was enough.
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I'd call Moen, Beauchemin, and Pronger a little bit more than final touches.
Final touches to a Cup winner might be closer to say adding a Ruslan Fedetenko?
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Burke might have looked his list and seen "maata" instead of "Jankowski" and decided that was enough.
or the three other prospects we could have picked that all look better than Janko at this point
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:46 AM   #584
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Wow.... This is out of nowhere.... I wonder if Feaster was taken off guard with this as well. Surprised to see that Burke is planning on bringing in a replacement. When I first heard I figured he fired Feaster to take the GM job as well.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:47 AM   #585
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Wait, did he say this again?
Yes, he also added that Sven is a hard worker and has shown good improvement this season, but has more hard work to do.
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Possible Theory:
- Burke wanted to get a trade done for the rumored-to-be-available E. Kane
- Burke proposes to put Baertschi in the deal - one of Feaster's picks, Feaster doesn't want to give up on him, Feaster's fired.
- Burke proposes to put Gaudreau (or hopefully a lower potential US college kid, but Burke's talk about getting bigger makes me think he might not fit in Burke's Flames) in the deal - one of the kids Weisbrod pushed for to draft, Weisbrod doesn't agree with Burke, Weisbrod's fired.
- sometime in the next 48hrs, trade?

... all speculation of course... I'd just like to see some roster moves continue to keep moving the RB forward.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:47 AM   #587
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or the three other prospects we could have picked that all look better than Janko at this point
Could've drafted Hertl, but we traded down. That's a pretty big error in judgement.
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If, at any point from now on, Brian Burke references "truculence" as a motivation for a signing, trade acquisition, or draft pick, I request he be shot.
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Svens inconsistency is partly due to coaching. If Burke wants him to play at the same level every game, Hartley needs to give him those minutes every game.
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I also hope this shuts up the "but its christmas, think of their families" crowd....

If we get Mike Futa out of this, I will be very happy.
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We'd have to add, but if we need to add 1sts or Gaudreau, not a chance. I'd throw in literally any other prospect we've got to get Kane into Flames silks.
i would probably do this too... if you have to include this year's first, or Gaudreau, don't approach.

On a side note, I think this move today cement's Ferland's position with the Flames....
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was that Eric Francis caught talking about retiring? or Kerr?
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elaborate?

I think he was talking about after the presser, but it was Grant Pollock the other guy was talking to about his retirement
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Just saw the news and all I can say is what the hell?!?!?

All in all I thought Feaster was doing alright.
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On a side note, I think this move today cement's Ferland's position with the Flames....
Really hoping we see him called up soon.
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or the three other prospects we could have picked that all look better than Janko at this point
Hindsight is 20/20 but a lot of people around the league felt the Flames weren't in position to reach for a kid in the 1st round. He hasn't been declared a bust but it's looking like he may not pan out into the player Wisebrod thought he would be.
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The most interesting comment Burke made was about not getting full value in trades. Very revealing.
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Biggest thing I like about this is that Burke is unafraid of moving sacred cows. Trade Backlund, Baertschi, whomever - if the return makes us a better team, more capable of wins, he'll do it. He (or his new gm) will make mistakes, but that's to be expected.

The sacred cows in Edmonton are preventing them from turning good assets into an effective hockey team.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:51 AM   #598
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WOW! Unexpected to say the least.

I am mixed on this because I felt Feaster and Weisbroad had the right idea about what the Flames needed to do moving forward. There are seemingly a lot of good prospects in the system now and they built a team that works hard on a nightly basis.

The O'Reilly situation last year was one that really stands out to me as something as quite glaring though. That to me screamed incompetence.

The Iginla and Bouwmeester trades are also something that stand out to me as disappointing. The Iginla trade was bizarrely managed and the return for Bouwmeester, who is playing top minutes on one of the best defensive teams in the entire league, was extremely disappointing.

Weisbroad did seem like a guy who knew what he was doing and our drafting has improved significantly since he came along. I am disappointed to see him fired.

Burke's team now! Hard to believe.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:52 AM   #599
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If Burke doesn't like the way the team has been drafting the last couple years, you have to think he doesn't like Jankowski, and at least another of the 1st/2nd rounders. His approach seems to be that if you're not an elite offensive talent, you need to be big or play big.
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Iginla sure.. backed into a corner.

But he should have never traded Bouwmeester if that was the return. Bouwmeester was 29 years old with an additional year left. It's not proposterous to rebuild around Bouwmeester, Captain Giordano, Wideman and Brodie. Adding Russell to that would have sent Butler to Mars.
Keeping Bouwmeester for one more year would have been terrible asset management. You think a 30 year old UFA would've stayed for a rebuild?

If the answer was no, and you held onto him for another year, we'd likely be slightly higher in the standings this year than now. So what would you have after this year? Maybe two first round draft picks this year with likely a slightly worse one for their own pick. Instead we got three firsts in a much, much deeper draft last year and lively a better one this year.

Totally the right move
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