[News] Flames scratch Sven...again

[Corral]

Originally Posted by moon

If you can't get along with your boss that isn't going against the rules of a coach that is going against the rules of any job. Going behind his back to get him fired is likely to get you fired from almost any job you have and not be desirable to get you rehired. That is not a NHL thing that is a job thing.

Throw in the fact that he reportedly showed up to job interviews unprepared to answer questions and acting like he deserved to be handed a job and it isn't him breaking any rules for NHL coaches it is him being a poor candidate.

Ted Nolan is a mediocre coach with a horrible attitude and an entitlement issue. That is what is keeping him from being a coach in the NHL not some BS he broke the NHL rules garbage.

Fine. My point was not to defend Ted Nolan. But rather to support my earlier post that Sven Baertchi may have 'acted unprofessionally' doesn't 'play defence' or maybe complained about a boss or something else that young players aren't supposed to do in the NHL. So he could have all the skill in the world, but because of something he has done someone or some persons will do all in their power to make sure he ends up using that skill in the AHL or back in Europe. Maybe his roster spot will be filled with every plugger available until eventually his is buried in the minors to ride buses and tour the majestic landscape that is central north America in mid-winter....

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by FBI

So for all the Hartley supporters, why are media people like Roger Millions and Eric Francis echoing the same sentiments as us about confusion with these scratches?

Wouldn't they have a little bit more insight as to what is going on than us?

Ohhhhhhhhh. Eric Francis said Sven should play. Well that settles it.

Francis gets ridiculed regularly, often by CP members, so I'm not sure stating that he agrees with you is the best way to get your point across.

[Fire in the disco]

Originally Posted by Corral

Fine. My point was not to defend Ted Nolan. But rather to support my earlier post that Sven Baertchi may have 'acted unprofessionally' doesn't 'play defence' or maybe complained about a boss or something else that young players aren't supposed to do in the NHL. So he could have all the skill in the world, but because of something he has done someone or some persons will do all in their power to make sure he ends up using that skill in the AHL or back in Europe. Maybe his roster spot will be filled with every plugger available until eventually his is buried in the minors to ride buses and tour the majestic landscape that is central north America in mid-winter....

Little harsh, I think Sven will draw in tomorrow

[cowtown75]

Sven to T.O. for Morgan Reilly ?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Corral

Fine. My point was not to defend Ted Nolan. But rather to support my earlier post that Sven Baertchi may have 'acted unprofessionally' doesn't 'play defence' or maybe complained about a boss or something else that young players aren't supposed to do in the NHL. So he could have all the skill in the world, but because of something he has done someone or some persons will do all in their power to make sure he ends up using that skill in the AHL or back in Europe. Maybe his roster spot will be filled with every plugger available until eventually his is buried in the minors to ride buses and tour the majestic landscape that is central north America in mid-winter....

Support what? Your baseless theory that he acted unprofessionally? We saw last season with Blair Jones who may or may have not upset little Bob and for one reason or another that was the end of him playing for the Flames.

Lets face the facts that this is Bob Hartley and the way he runs his team. He's clearly one of those guys not much different than Keenan that simply has 'his guys' and 'his whipping boys'. He's not the first coach nor the last to play the favourites game but it is what it is. You can probably add Berra to his list of favourites as he's probably going to have to be downright awful for Ramo to get a sniff of the starting job again.

I personally can't blame Bob for coaching this way as the buddy system is what got him the job in the first place. If getting a job with the Flames on merit mattered Hartley would have never got the Flames head coaching job in the first place so getting ice time on merit is probably out the door for some players that he doesn't particularly care for. It's what he knows and how he does things as that's what got him here. It's all about who you know and you you like. Right now Bob likes his guys better than Sven and this started from upstairs the day Feaster hired his buddy to coach the Flames.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Sven to T.O. for Morgan Reilly ?

Sven and Sieloff for Reilly and Biggs.

[macrov]

If you watch Baertchi's 2-way play closely its obvious he's just going through the motions on the backcheck and forecheck. His game without the puck is quite uninspired.

He skates at a pace where its obvious he's not going to put any real pressure on anyone. And so the defenseman he's forechecking can make an easy pass. Or the foreward he's backchecking can look around and make plays with the puck.

He has to learn to play with a purpose when he doesn't have the puck.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by macrov

If you watch Baertchi's 2-way play closely its obvious he's just going through the motions on the backcheck and forecheck. His game without the puck is quite uninspired.

He skates at a pace where its obvious he's not going to put any real pressure on anyone. And so the defenseman he's forechecking can make an easy pass. Or the foreward he's backchecking can look around and make plays with the puck.

He has to learn to play with a purpose when he doesn't have the puck.

As much as the hand wringing because of his sitting out annoys some people, so does this type of rationalization. He backchecks just fine, but ok

[dean00007]

Baerchi benching is BS. Did he sleep with Hartley's wife? What the hell did he do?

Baerchi is NOT Bouma, and people should stop expecting him to be. Baerchi is a dynamic that this team has missed for years and years... that being raw talent.

If something is going on behind the scenes then lets hear about it and get it out in the open. It had better be something more than Burke just not liking him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dean00007

Baerchi benching is BS. Did he sleep with Hartley's wife? What the hell did he do?

It has not been specified, but the coach has indicated that there is something in Sven's performance that they are not happy about.

Originally Posted by dean00007

Baerchi is NOT Bouma, and people should stop expecting him to be. Baerchi is a dynamic that this team has missed for years and years... that being raw talent.

Does anyone expect Baertschi to become Bouma? Why would you say this?

Originally Posted by dean00007

If something is going on behind the scenes then lets hear about it and get it out in the open. It had better be something more than Burke just not liking him.

I agree that it is frustrating to be left in the dark about this, but let's not kid ourselves: Airing all of their grievances in public with players, their performances, attitudes, whatever, is NOT going to accomplish anything positive. You are right, though. The situation had better be all about Baertschi and what is best for his development, and best for the team. It is way, WAY to early to conclude, or even begin to raise concerns that his treatment is a result of petty feelings or mismanagement. If he sits for four or five games in a row, then I would suggest that this is cause for concern. But right now, he is a young player, still technically a rookie, and this almost certainly has to do with growing pains.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

As much as the hand wringing because of his sitting out annoys some people, so does this type of rationalization. He backchecks just fine, but ok

I agree that Sven skates hard out there, I find with him is that he over commits a little too much and he is easily beat. He chases a lot. And I can see Hartley's point with regards to the video sessions he mentioned before. Although, I figured the one game would've been enough.

I think they want him to play in all three zones but's it more of being in the right places at the right time. Hartley from what I can gather plays a system where you pretty much shrink the ice, it's a team system, and if one guy is chasing, all over the place then it opens up a lot of holes.

Sven does skate and work hard, though he does chase a lot, and he needs to be in better position and keep the puck in front of him...

[Lanny_McDonald]

I think the Flames need to crap or get off the pot with this kid. He needs to play, so get him playing again. That doesn't necessarily mean in Calgary though. If he is not ready for the NHL get him playing in the AHL. If he isn't in the team's plans moving forward, trade him and get the guy that they think is in the long term plans playing in our system some place.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Sven to T.O. for Morgan Reilly ?

Toronto won't do this.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dean00007

Baerchi benching is BS. Did he sleep with Hartley's wife? What the hell did he do?

Baerchi is NOT Bouma, and people should stop expecting him to be. Baerchi is a dynamic that this team has missed for years and years... that being raw talent.

If something is going on behind the scenes then lets hear about it and get it out in the open. It had better be something more than Burke just not liking him.

The player they have used in the past that they want Baertschi to be like is Brendan Gallagher. So it sounds like the want him to play with more energy. Baertschi is a very opportunistic player and seems to wait for things to happen before he jumps in. I don't think that is too much to ask.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

The player they have used in the past that they want Baertschi to be like is Brendan Gallagher. So it sounds like the want him to play with more energy. Baertschi is a very opportunistic player and seems to wait for things to happen before he jumps in. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Expecting him to play like Gallagher is completely unrealistic - he has one of the best motors (if not best) in the NHL. As much as they may want that out of Sven, it's not his game nor will it ever be.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Expecting him to play like Gallagher is completely unrealistic - he has one of the best motors (if not best) in the NHL. As much as they may want that out of Sven, it's not his game nor will it ever be.

How is that even remotely unrealistic? Sven played a high energy, big work ethic game in junior, and they're simply asking him to do that again and add a level of grit to his game. Sven is bigger and faster than Gallagher, so it's not even slightly out of the question for them to try and shape his game around Gallagher's.

Sven pretty obviously has an exceptional level of passion for the game, he simply needs to show that in every area of the ice and be a bit more of a rabid dog at times.

He'll be fine.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Expecting him to play like Gallagher is completely unrealistic - he has one of the best motors (if not best) in the NHL. As much as they may want that out of Sven, it's not his game nor will it ever be.

I also don't want Sven to play like Gallagher.

He's a fine player, but he's more of a pest. He's never going to be much of a scorer. Again, Sven has more skill in his little finger than Gallagher has as a whole.

Sven's skill should be nurtured, not thrown by the wayside. The player that Sven can be is far more valuable than the current game Gallagher plays.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I also don't want Sven to play like Gallagher.

He's a fine player, but he's more of a pest. He's never going to be much of a scorer. Again, Sven has more skill in his little finger than Gallagher has as a whole.

Sven's skill should be nurtured, not thrown by the wayside. The player that Sven can be is far more valuable than the current game Gallagher plays.

He doesn't have to be Gallagher, you realise that right? He just needs to emulate his play a bit and add some of those elements he is missing.

I don't understand, you don't want Sven to change, or improve, or learn, or anything really. You just want to send him out, give him an automatic 15 minutes per game and let him play "his" game, which his terribly underdeveloped and no where near rounded enough for him to stick in the NHL long term. You're wishing failure on him because you're impatient.

That player you covet so deeply would be ruined if everything went the way you wanted it to. He's not Patrick Kane, he's never going to be, but if we can get a Hossa out of him? We're laughin'

[edslunch]

0 for 28 on the power play and one of their most skilled offensive players barely gets a sniff and is a frequent scratch. What's wrong with this picture?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by edslunch

0 for 28 on the power play and one of their most skilled offensive players barely gets a sniff and is a frequent scratch. What's wrong with this picture?

Warn me when it's approaching Keenan's legendary 0 for 50.