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CaptainCrunch · 10-20-2013, 11:34 AM

I think this point, sending Monahan back to juniors would be a waste of time. Would sending him back to beat up on players that are not on the same level as him going to help him? Maybe on the confidence side, but the fact is that he looks plenty confidence up here.

He's going to work on his fitness at an NHL level with a NHL level fitness coach. Get professional coaching and work with pro players on his game and mental prep.

Going back to juniors will give him very little benefit, and screw the entry level contract stuff. If he's that good then the bridge contract was going to go out the window anyways.

If he stays here, then once that's put away then they're going to give him more situational play.

Flames Fan in Exile · 10-20-2013, 11:37 AM

I'm pretty sure the team is not worried about cost issues, but developmental ones. Let's wait and see, all this what ifs are just as good as woulda shouldas. I personally don't know enough to decide what would be best. I just hope someone there does *chuckles*

Table 5 · 10-20-2013, 11:45 AM

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On the flip side of that sending him down because we might have to pay him more 1 year earlier is just as ridiculous. Nothing to do with his contract status should have any impact on sending him down or keeping him up. It ends up being a pretty ridiculous argument either way.

As I said, there are plenty of reasons to keep him up (and that's what Im personally leaning towards). My point was that we should never be flippant about the salary cap....not taking it into consideration has potential to come back to bite us in the ass, like Sutter and his No-trade Clauses.

BurningSteel · 10-20-2013, 11:47 AM

Why oh why cant it be the 2015/2016 season already?!?!?!?

Street Pharmacist · 10-20-2013, 11:49 AM

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I hate this type of short-term thinking. Yes, we have a ton of cap room...at the moment. But in a few years, that might not be the case, and that extra few million a season might be the difference in keeping existing players or acquiring other talent. If a lot of these young guys (Sven, Gaudreau, Poirier, Klimchuk, Jankoswski, Gillies etc. as well as more mature guys like Brodie) pan out, they'll all be wanting some serious money. At some point money will be tight again...it's best to guard against that as much as possible.

Sutter gave out NTC's like it was candy because there was the ability to do so... then a few years later, we were stuck with a bunch of players we just couldn't move and it set us back a few years. Let's not make the same mistake by being careless with contracts when we have a lot of space.

There are many reasons to keep up Sean Monahan...but a "who cares, we have a ton of cap space" argument should not be one of them.

We're not talking about "in a few years" though. We're specifically talking about 3 years from now instead of four. It is possible to be an issue in 4 years, but it's irrelevant at that point. None of those guys will be ready for a contract. It may be a cap issue, but highly unlikely.

The cap is going up, and many of those guys may be signing their second contracts in 4 years and 2 years from now. Why is it so important? To me, proper development is far more important.

Heavy Jack · 10-20-2013, 11:53 AM

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Why oh why cant it be the 2015/2016 season already?!?!?!?

No reason to wish the seasons away so quickly. This team could be better quicker if they start to put it together. I am having a tonne of fun watching them grow as a team, it's going to be incredible by 2015/2016 if our prospect base continues this progression. This is the first real season we are seeing the benefits of the last few drafts with Baertschi, Monahan, Backlund, Brodie and Bouma all are draft picks appearing in games so far this year. I think that could double + by the end of the year going into the start of next year. Very exciting.

strombad · 10-20-2013, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

As I said, there are plenty of reasons to keep him up (and that's what Im personally leaning towards). My point was that we should never be flippant about the salary cap....not taking it into consideration has potential to come back to bite us in the ass, like Sutter and his No-trade Clauses.

I disagree. Being flippant about the salary cap in regards to ELC contracts is perfectly acceptable. You're saying "well it's dangerous not to care about giving NTC like Sutter did because you get into cap trouble" when the argument isn't about that at all, it has nothing to DO with it. This is about Sean Monahan and his second contract, and when he will have to sign it. In this case, yes, WHO CARES about the salary cap. You shouldn't care in this scenario because you're talking about the proper development of one of your future premier players.

Were someone saying "well let's resign Cammy with long term NTC because who cares we have lots of cap!" You may have a point. But nobody is saying that, and in this particular scenario, "Who cares about the cap" is the absolutely correct way of thinking.

CliffFletcher · 10-20-2013, 12:02 PM

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I disagree. Being flippant about the salary cap in regards to ELC contracts is perfectly acceptable.

How many Flames fans thought this way six months ago? I can recall a lot of people here mocking Edmonton for burning ELC years with their young players.

Street Pharmacist · 10-20-2013, 12:14 PM

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How many Flames fans thought this way six months ago? I can recall a lot of people here mocking Edmonton for burning ELC years with their young players.

Yeah I sure didn't see the decision being this difficult.

As to the Edmonton thing, to do it three straight years is pretty stupid IMO. Especially when there doesn't seem to be a development plan with it. Hall still hasn't learned not to toe drag through the defenders and RNH needed to get a bit bigger. Yakupov has been a colossal mistake as he hasn't learned how to be a pro even, never mind how to play like one

strombad · 10-20-2013, 12:23 PM

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How many Flames fans thought this way six months ago? I can recall a lot of people here mocking Edmonton for burning ELC years with their young players.

It's also easy to mock Edmonton for absolutely everything they do in every situation. As I said, if it's the right move for development, then who cares about ELC? Edmonton should be questioned for their development of players and team building, because as we can all see, even if Hall or Eberle were on their ELC's they wouldn't be in any better of a situation than they are now.

EVERLAST · 10-20-2013, 12:32 PM

So when we decide not keep Monhan up who replaces him? Hes gotta good start with Sven and whoever else in on that line.

Id hate seeing Svens enthusiasm and confidence suffer
Hartley will make the right decision......if Burke let's him

I am going to get killed for saying this but he reminds me allot of Toewes and Henrique in their first years

strombad · 10-20-2013, 01:04 PM

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So when we decide not keep Monhan up who replaces him? Hes gotta good start with Sven and whoever else in on that line.

Id hate seeing Svens enthusiasm and confidence suffer
Hartley will make the right decision......if Burke let's him

I am going to get killed for saying this but he reminds me allot of Toewes and Henrique in their first years

I hope you don't get killed. If you compare Monahan to the same sample size of Toews' first games, Monahan is actually outplaying Toews in every category.

moon · 10-20-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

How many Flames fans thought this way six months ago? I can recall a lot of people here mocking Edmonton for burning ELC years with their young players.

The problem with Edmonton and their ELC situation is that they have a bunch of guys getting big deals that will kick in around the same time and some may be considered questionable in their value (Eberle). The fact it also looks like they get 0 play-off games from Hall, Eberle, RNH on entry level deals also doesn't look great for them.

Right now Calgary has Monahan and maybe Sven looking like they may need big contracts by the time that Monahan would have his deal kick in one year early.

If the Flames had Monahan, draft pick from last year, Sven and some other random young guy all looking like they would have 6 million+ deals coming into effect in 5 years maybe then you worry about Monahan having his deal kick in a year early but at this point it seems doubtful it matters whether Monahan gets his money in 2017 or 2018.

getbak · 10-20-2013, 06:38 PM

Hartley's post practice scrum...

Lots of praise for Monahan.

I like the comment that when Monahan sees the other coach trying to line-match him up against guys like Thornton, he doesn't care.

All we've heard from Feaster since he took over as GM is "meritocracy". I don't see how you can say that and send down your leading goal scorer and second on the team in points.

Anduril · 10-20-2013, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

The problem with Edmonton and their ELC situation is that they have a bunch of guys getting big deals that will kick in around the same time and some may be considered questionable in their value (Eberle). The fact it also looks like they get 0 play-off games from Hall, Eberle, RNH on entry level deals also doesn't look great for them.

Right now Calgary has Monahan and maybe Sven looking like they may need big contracts by the time that Monahan would have his deal kick in one year early.

If the Flames had Monahan, draft pick from last year, Sven and some other random young guy all looking like they would have 6 million+ deals coming into effect in 5 years maybe then you worry about Monahan having his deal kick in a year early but at this point it seems doubtful it matters whether Monahan gets his money in 2017 or 2018.

It's hardly short term thinking when you're hoping Monahan plays to the level deserving of a 6 million dollar contract. Same with Sven. If the other guys pan out and we're stuck with too many good players? Well then, let's cross that boat at that time.

Flash Walken · 10-20-2013, 07:01 PM

I can't get enough Monahan.

I hate these days off, I want to watch him play.

I think he needs and deserves more ice-time as well.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-20-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I can't get enough Monahan.

I hate these days off, I want to watch him play.

I think he needs and deserves more ice-time as well.

More ice time? Yesterday he played in San Jose and Erie, don't want to kill the guy

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http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...how/game/66300

Flash Walken · 10-20-2013, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

More ice time? Yesterday he played in San Jose and Erie, don't want to kill the guy

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http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...how/game/66300

getbak · 10-20-2013, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

More ice time? Yesterday he played in San Jose and Erie, don't want to kill the guy

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http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/s...how/game/66300

Zero points? What a bum.

Fire · 10-20-2013, 08:05 PM

Based on his play and what's best for his development he should stay. If his play declines he can be sent down before the WJC. No big deal.

Plus it would be far less enjoyable to watch the Flames without him in the line-up.