Should Feaster get fired over the O'Reilly offersheet fiasco

[craig.caulks]

Originally Posted by blankall

According to the present rules as read purely under their clear language, only RFAs and players on the Reserve list are exempt from waivers. O'Reily is no longer an RFA as Colorado has matched on offer sheet.

If Daly was going to force the Flames to put him through waivers, he should now have to force the Avs to do the exact same thing.

There is usually a good time to stop talking. You've already gone past that point but still, but like they say about your period, better late than never.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Feaster is a liar. They didn't investigate it at all to be sure how it would play out? Either a liar or an idiot or both. I go with the latter.

He just said they interpreted it differently... obviously that's the truth.

Doesn't make the situation any better, though.

[Puppet Guy]

how the last 24 hours have made me feel as a Flames fan:

[really?]

Initially I was on board with Feaster's hiring, and his rhetoric, but he needs to be let go yesterday. This is the final straw in revealing an empty hand. This squad needs to be disassembled and any gm dealing with Feaster and the Flames can smell the stench of incompetence.

Given the current status of the team you don't offer up a potential high first round pick + for a good, young, second line center. Thats the kind of player you package veterans to obtain. You don't trade your future for your.....future. This organization is becoming laughable, and thats a shame because its a hockey city and deserves at least a competent team.

Full him once, shame on him, fool him twice, or even five, six times...... just call him Feaster.

[Saint Troy]

Spin Jay Spin. Freakin Disgrace.

[bluloc]

Feaster's not a hockey guy. I never thought he would do the job, this pretty much seals it. I'd take Burke over Feaster any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

[Diemenz]

So the long and short of this is that all RFAs that played in europe are pretty much "unoffersheetable" because of a loophole in the CBA. This loophole of course happened because of a lockout in which a new CBA was being drafted. Personally if the was a clause in the CBA that prevented me from signing an offer sheet which is my right as a player because I couldn't play hockey in NA due to the lockout I would have my lawyers having a field day.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Really it's more a matter of which smart, informed people inside the NHL did not know O'Reilly played in Europe. Probabaly many beacuse ROR isn't relavant to a lot of teams that were never interested in putting in an offer sheet therefore they never performed the necessary checks as teams don't follow every single player not on their team.

However when a team is looking at giving up valuable assets in a transaction for that player they should know he played a couple of games and know to ensure that wouldn't be an issue. Clearly that wasn't done and wether this was simpy out of haste to be first to make an offer or simply poor overall review of the details someone messed up big time within the Flames organization.

The only way I can see the Feaster and Co. coming out of this clean is if necessary paperwork was not done or indicated by the ROR party when he went to Europe if they needed such paperwork to file to the league.

Rayan O Rayli played 2 games in the KHL....obvious subterfuge IMO....player and his agent are the Dbags.

Feaster isn't my fav by any means but the whole thing stinks from the player's side IMO.

[Vedder]

In other words, we didn't even have an interpretation before but we now do and it's different because it has to be.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by timbit

Kind of freaking important that maybe you check with the NHL.

they didn't have a clue either until today, nor did the agent

[HELPNEEDED]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He just said they interpreted it differently... obviously that's the truth.

Doesn't make the situation any better, though.

exactly how I see it, just because is not enough to to put this conversation to rest.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He just said they interpreted it different... obviously that's the truth.

And didn't think it was important to check with the NHL to I don't know, maybe get it clarified for certain? Sounds like he is lying to me because as inept as this organization is, if they did have any questions about any rules or procedures, they absolutely would have done their due diligence to ensuring exactly what the rule was, not how they interpreted it.

[browna]

Here's an article on the 13.23 again, since the Flames/Feaster are going to go with this excuse (err, defence) to try in vain to wipe the collective eggs off collective faces.

When in doubt, ask the league office. Simple.

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/blog/ey...vs-didnt-match

The previous CBA (section 13.23) stated that any player who played in a league outside of North America after the start of the NHL regular season could only play in the NHL that year after he cleared -- or had been obtained by -- waivers. You might remember in previous years, Evgeni Nabokov and Kyle Wellwood starting seasons overseas, signing with NHL clubs in the middle and then were claimed on waivers by other teams.
Nabokov was the most high-profile example. He was claimed on waivers by the New York Islanders after the Detroit Red Wings attempted to sign him a couple of years ago. He has been the Islanders' starting goalie ever since.
According to Johnston, O'Reilly, who signed in the KHL during the lockout, played two games in the Russian league after the NHL regular season began. That means he would have, in fact, been subject to waivers before he returned to the league under the old CBA rules.
So why don't the Avalanche have to risk losing him on waivers?
This is where some of the confusion comes in. The new NHL CBA has slightly altered that rule. The memorandum of understanding states:

All Players on a Club's Reserve List and Restricted Free Agent List will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23 Waivers in the case of a mid-season signing.
For further clarity, if Club A trades such a Player to Club B and Club B signs the Player to an SPC, such Player will be exempt from the application of CBA 13.23.

This would explain why the Avalanche were able to match the offer and come to terms with O'Reilly after he played overseas and not have to expose him to waivers -- he was their restricted free agent.
If the Flames had traded for O'Reilly's free-agents rights and then signed him to a contract, he also would have apparently been waiver exempt because his rights would have then belonged to the Flames.
But because they signed him as a restricted free agent, he would have needed to clear before he could play for them this season. And there's a very good chance, had it come to that, that he would have been claimed. The Flames would not only have lost their first- and third-round picks, they also would have lost the very player that they gave them up for.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Sounds like the Flames are okay with the mistake and are making a stand that they interpret the rule differently than the NHL does. This almost makes them look worse than fessing up.

I'm curious...what if, and this is just hypothetical, they actually did just interpret the rules differently and these are all just honest statements? Would it be worth turning around and fabricating that they just didn't know?

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

He should be, but he won't be and this place should be lots of fun when he isn't.

I win!

[keenan87]

How hard is it for them to just admit the mistake..

As for Feaster, he should really step-down. His career/support from the fans has been flushed down the toilet. A GM that everyone liked as of yesterday to one everyone wants fired. Best for him is to resign.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Diemenz

So the long and short of this is that all RFAs that played in europe are pretty much "unoffersheetable" because of a loophole in the CBA. This loophole of course happened because of a lockout in which a new CBA was being drafted. Personally if the was a clause in the CBA that prevented me from signing an offer sheet which is my right as a player because I couldn't play hockey in NA due to the lockout I would have my lawyers having a field day.

Nothing stopping you from not playing hockey and reporting to North America like other players did without contracts.

PK Subban, for instance.

[Dr. Doom]

We've become the laughing stock of the league, almost overnight.

Move over Oilers, we're reserving that goose of shame!

This is blowing up across the hockey world to boot.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Flames claim that the rule they interpreted was different than the NHL's interpretation.

Well then I changed my mind...I was hoping they checked and didn't realize who Rayan O Rayli was but instead they knew and thought they would be sneaky...dumb.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

He just said they interpreted it differently... obviously that's the truth.

Doesn't make the situation any better, though.

I honestly think they didn't realize it existed. You'd think if they had considered rule 13.23 that they'd at least run it by the NHL to see how the league interprets it rather than risking it blowing up in their faces.