Learn How to Drive/Passenge/Pedest

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

Based on your attitude you're probably one of the worst for opening doors unsafely!

I live on one of those residential streets with cars parked on both sides and it is touch and go for cars to pass in the best of conditions. Cars doors swinging open, people pulling out without checking their mirrors or people stepping out from between parked cars is something I've gotten used to expecting and it sucks.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay Einstein, I've got two kids that are both in carseats. How do you expect me to get them both loaded and strapped in on the passenger side? It's impossible.

My parents managed, I'm sure you could to. Its better to take the extra 10 seconds and load them both on the passenger side. I thought you had a van so whats the issue?

[REDVAN]

I think it's best for my sanity if I just say this:

No comment.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by GreenTeaFrapp

A bit hypocritical of you to rag on someone holier than thou attitude then proceed to brag about racing around a track at high speeds. As if racing on a track correlates to an ability on a city street unless you're getting chased by the cops.

If you have never been in a true race track setting, you are probably unaware of the ignorance of that statement. Navigating city streets, merging correctly and watching for pedestrians seem like kindergarten trying to keep track of speed marker cones at 200 kph, or lean into a corner 5 feet off someones tail with no opportunity to brake. Track safety requires a level of awareness and attention that is so far beyond what the average driver has to deal with it is laughable, whether it is cars or bikes.

I have 20 years of driving experience under my belt, class 5 and 6 without one at fault accident, and a total of 4 demerits all when I was under 20 in the pre photo radar era. The only accident I was involved in would have killed most riders, had they not had the awreness of what to do. I was lucky enough to escapewith just a busted leg.

I have also worked a few summers as a certified motorcycle riding instructor as well, so I think I can say I have a little experience and knowledge on the subject. Teaching someone to ride a motorcycle which requires an actual physical skill set, as well as obeying the rules of the road are 5 fold more difficult than teaching someone to point a automatic, 4 wheel drive pickup truck down the road without hitting people exiting their cars.

At the OP, How the hell are you so close to the shoulder that you have to slam on the brakes to avoid tagging her? Are you really that good of a driver that you did not notice the person in the back window or their outside or rearview mirror exiting the vehicle? If she was in the vehicle and the brake lights were not on in the car that should signal someone is likely to exit the car. These are all things an advanced driver will observe.

Again in all my years working in the business I do, and the thousands of test drives I have been on and all the miles I have put on both cars and motorcycles, and the road and classroom instruction I have led. The people that claim to having these awesome driving skill sets, have always been the ones that were the biggest hazards on the road.

[calumniate]

I just think that if you're getting mad constantly when behind the wheel then it's an issue. Certain things can happen, don't get me wrong. But you have to expect the unexpected and take aversive action when necessary.

A lot of times slamming on the brakes is what less than stellar drivers do.. it's not always the best option. But hey I'm generalizing here!

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Ramsayfarian

I was heading east on 12 ave the other day and was stopped at the lights on Olympic Way. There was a car to my right, in the RIGHT HAND TURN ONLY lane and no one behind me. Light turns green, she goes straight. I'm beside her and she mouths "F U" because I didn't yield to her. "F Me? F U "

I love this intersection, always entertaining. I have seen westbound traffic on 12th avenue continue straight through the lights into what becomes one-way eastbound! One night I heard a weird metal screeching sound and looked down from my place to see a Civic that was heading westbound into the one-way up on the concrete median.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by pylon

I am the greetest!! Now I leave earth for no raisin!!

So you ramble on about how awesome your driving skill set is for four full paragraphs and then finish with this?

Originally Posted by pylon

The people that claim to having these awesome driving skill sets, have always been the ones that were the biggest hazards on the road.

Brilliant!

[zamler]

Originally Posted by pylon

The people that claim to having these awesome driving skill sets, have always been the ones that were the biggest hazards on the road.

I have more driving experience than you, have zero demerits on my license, have a class 3, 5 and 6. So I'm better than you in every possible way. And used to ride around on a 3 wheeled ATV daily, survived that without any serious injuries. BTW, I have a cousin that used to race professionally, and he's one of the worst drivers I've ever seen. So just because you have the skills on the track, does not mean you have the skills and street sense to be a good daily driver.

So someone else post why they're a better driver than me.

[The Yen Man]

When I'm following someone, how I can tell if the guy in front of me is a bad driver or not is if they are constantly tapping the brakes. I find cabbies to be the worst at doing this. Yesterday, I was following this cab, and his brake lights were like a flashing light show. *tap* go *tap* go *tap* tap* go, etc.

I understand during rush hour sometimes its unavoidable if the guy in front of you is going at sporadic speeds, but some of these guys do it when there's clearly enough space in front of them. It's like they can't judge speed and distance properly. Its the same when people stop like a car length behind at an intersection, and then slowly inch their way up to the stop line. WTH is wrong with these people? No depth perception?

[GreenTeaFrapp]

Originally Posted by pylon

Again in all my years working in the business I do, and the thousands of test drives I have been on and all the miles I have put on both cars and motorcycles, and the road and classroom instruction I have led. The people that claim to having these awesome driving skill sets, have always been the ones that were the biggest hazards on the road.

So are you a hypocrite or one of the biggest hazards on the roads?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Its the same when people stop like a car length behind at an intersection, and then slowly inch their way up to the stop line. WTH is wrong with these people? No depth perception?

Actually I do this sometimes, sans the creeping part. When it's very slippery, I like to give myself an escape route from people that over estimate their traction.

[Zevo]

Originally Posted by pylon

If you have never been in a true race track setting, you are probably unaware of the ignorance of that statement. Navigating city streets, merging correctly and watching for pedestrians seem like kindergarten trying to keep track of speed marker cones at 200 kph, or lean into a corner 5 feet off someones tail with no opportunity to brake. Track safety requires a level of awareness and attention that is so far beyond what the average driver has to deal with it is laughable, whether it is cars or bikes.

I have 20 years of driving experience under my belt, class 5 and 6 without one at fault accident, and a total of 4 demerits all when I was under 20 in the pre photo radar era. The only accident I was involved in would have killed most riders, had they not had the awreness of what to do. I was lucky enough to escapewith just a busted leg.

I have also worked a few summers as a certified motorcycle riding instructor as well, so I think I can say I have a little experience and knowledge on the subject. Teaching someone to ride a motorcycle which requires an actual physical skill set, as well as obeying the rules of the road are 5 fold more difficult than teaching someone to point a automatic, 4 wheel drive pickup truck down the road without hitting people exiting their cars.

At the OP, How the hell are you so close to the shoulder that you have to slam on the brakes to avoid tagging her? Are you really that good of a driver that you did not notice the person in the back window or their outside or rearview mirror exiting the vehicle? If she was in the vehicle and the brake lights were not on in the car that should signal someone is likely to exit the car. These are all things an advanced driver will observe.

Again in all my years working in the business I do, and the thousands of test drives I have been on and all the miles I have put on both cars and motorcycles, and the road and classroom instruction I have led. The people that claim to having these awesome driving skill sets, have always been the ones that were the biggest hazards on the road.

My money is on you being the worst 'It's never my fault' kind of driver on here.

You rant about the OP not being aware and you weren't even there to assess the situation. Nice.

[Frequitude]

CP needs a field trip to Safety City.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by zamler

Actually I do this sometimes, sans the creeping part. When it's very slippery, I like to give myself an escape route from people that over estimate their traction.

This exact tactic was taught to me in driver training, for that exact reason, and I imagine it still is. I always do it when the roads might be slippery.

[moncton golden flames]

i've noticed quite a few drivers driving on the wrong side of the road in parts of east downtown like 3 st e and 6 ave. i know it's hard to see the yellow line, but you'd think the parked cars facing the opposite way they're going would be a hint.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by zamler

Actually I do this sometimes, sans the creeping part. When it's very slippery, I like to give myself an escape route from people that over estimate their traction.

Sorry, I should have clarified. I don't mean during slippery conditions. I mean when the roads are dry, like in the summer. My mom does this, and it annoys the hell out of me when I'm in her car. She'd pump the brakes while she's stopping and endd up being too far back and then need to inch forward.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

This exact tactic was taught to me in driver training, for that exact reason, and I imagine it still is. I always do it when the roads might be slippery.

It's saved me once before, although that was many years ago. I just like to have options.

While we are talking about safety, I would not mind if it was mandatory for everyone to take driving classes, and general safety education. Most people are simply ignorant that many of their driving habits are dangerous. And that includes me, even though I would like to think I'm a safe driver and do try to be, I am sure there are things that I do wrong and can be improved.

[calumniate]

Pylon does have a point with 4X4's initial complaint. No matter how narrow the road is, you're just going to hit the brakes and hope for the best stopping 2 feet in front of her? Not cool..

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by SeoulFire

I predict a whole lot of the same.

I also agree that the majority of the stories are from know-it-all aggressive drivers who constantly put themselves in those kind of positions.

Or from people who just...can't...let...it...go.

People piss me off almost every day on my commute, but by the time I get to work or home my brain has moved on. No way could I sit down and remember enough crap to make a post about it.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

Sorry, I should have clarified. I don't mean during slippery conditions. I mean when the roads are dry, like in the summer. My mom does this, and it annoys the hell out of me when I'm in her car. She'd pump the brakes while she's stopping and endd up being too far back and then need to inch forward.

Again, it's taught in some driver's ed classes to do that.