Catholic priest hires hitman to kill teen accuser.
Apples and oranges. Obviously this priest is a criminal hiring one person to commit a murder to cover his own misdeeds. The Muslim cleric was publicly offering money, to anyone, to behead a person, and doing it in the name of his religion. Both are evil, but the priest wasn't doing it in the name of his faith. A catholic priest doing what this Imam did would be universally condemned by the entire Catholic church from the Vatican on down. And that priest would be criminally charged and thrown out of the priesthood.That doesn't excuse the many child molestors who hid behind their vestments, but its not a valid comparison in this case.
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Apples and oranges. Obviously this priest is a criminal hiring one person to commit a murder to cover his own misdeeds. The Muslim cleric was publicly offering money, to anyone, to behead a person, and doing it in the name of his religion. Both are evil, but the priest wasn't doing it in the name of his faith. A catholic priest doing what this Imam did would be universally condemned by the entire Catholic church from the Vatican on down. And that priest would be criminally charged and thrown out of the priesthood.That doesn't excuse the many child molestors who hid behind their vestments, but its not a valid comparison in this case.
It's exactly the same. Both are rogue clerics.
If it was common Islamic practise, Imams worldwide would be doing nothing but issue fatwas. There's certainly no shortage of infidels, now is there?
The thing I wonder about is, suppose there was 2 or 3 women she said this to, it doesn't really say, but really there is no hard proof. Maybe those women do not like her and set her up for a good ole fashioned beheading, by making it all up.
The governor of Pakistan's Punjab province was assassinated by his own security guard Tuesday, according to Interior Minister Rehman Malik, apparently because he spoke out against the country's controversial blasphemy law.
A spotlight was put on Pakistan's controversial blasphemy law in November when a Christian woman, Asia Bibi of Punjab province, was sentenced to death for blasphemy. A court found the 45-year-old woman guilty of defiling the name of the Prophet Mohammed during a 2009 argument with fellow Muslim field workers.
An investigation by a Pakistani government ministry found the charges against Bibi stemmed from "religious and personal enmity" and recommended her release. The government also said it would review the law.
In remarks to CNN in November, Taseer said Pakistan's President, Asif Ali Zardari, would pardon Bibi if the courts did not.
"He's a liberal, modern-minded president, and he's not going to see a poor woman like this targeted and executed ... it's just not going to happen," he said.
Yes, thank you, I realize that passage was there. I was bringing up the example as to point out that radical religious figures gain thier power by interpreting the bible, the Koran, the book of Satan for people that don't want to read it themselves or think about it themselves.
Thats all it is. You can interpret it how you want to and it won't be hard to influence young kids or uneducated people.
But every place has their share of dirt. Pakistan has this and like someone said here we let murders out after 5-10 years of imprisonment, how good does that look?
As for the Governer killed, this could just be a start of it in Pakistan. This is what they potentially need, another military coup or a youth group rising and taking out all the #######s that ruining that country. That basically includes the Mullahs and the Politicians. But in reality it has no hope. From wars to natural disasters to corruption to hate amongst each other they don't know how to fix it.
Anytime you mix state with religion you are asking for trouble.
As for as technology, Pakistan and South Asians the upper class easily sees more technology there than we do here. Or at least see it long before we do here. The lower class isn't far off either, its available but cannot afford it. There are a lot of smart people in South Asia but the structure of nurturing them isn't there so they look to emigrate from there.
Good interview of Imran Khan(Political leader of a party in Pakistan) post assassination
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I was bored too so I read each link. To have 5 fatwas condemning terrorism is great! Unfortunately they are from 2005-2010 and don't seem to be doing so much to stop Islamic terrorism. But every little bit is good!
I was bored too so I read each link. To have 5 fatwas condemning terrorism is great! Unfortunately they are from 2005-2010 and don't seem to be doing so much to stop Islamic terrorism. But every little bit is good!
Now, so far, it’s hard to say who is the hijacker and who is the hijackee. After all, Taseer the moderate was a prominent politician, Qadri a mere bodyguard. A reasonable person might look at this tragic situation and say it is indeed proof of extremists trying to hijack the religion and the country. Except, it was Taseer who wanted to change the status quo and Qadri who wanted to protect it. Pakistan’s blasphemy laws have been on the books for decades, and while judicial death sentences for blasphemy are rare, the police and security forces have been enforcing it unilaterally for years. And what of the reaction to the assassination? Many columnists and commentators denounced the murder, but the public’s reaction was often celebratory. A Facebook fan page for Qadri had to be taken down as it was drawing thousands of followers. And what of the country’s official guardians of the faith? A group of more than 500 leading Muslim scholars, representing what the Associated Press describes as a “moderate school of Islam” and the British Guardian calls the “mainstream religious organizations” in Pakistan not only celebrated the murder, but warned that no Muslim should mourn Taseer’s murder or pray for him
The very people who are the ones committing the crimes against the victims, standing in front of the victims and saying they are protecting the victims is worthy of a Greek tragedy.
A week ago it was the JOOOOS or Al Queda or .....
It is still illegal for Christians to build new or refurbish churches in Egypt.
Do any of these statements name names within their religious rulings? I have noticed that when the cartoonists were condemned as well as others they were named by name. They also were obviously taken to heart judging by the riots and general violence that followed them.
The problem with general statements that denounce terrorism is that one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
Also, Islam has large sects within its faith with different interpretations of the Koran. One group has little impact on another. One also wonders if the statements made in India and Saudi Arabia weren't made under threat of imprisonment or death. Both these countries have suffered much from jihad.
The very people who are the ones committing the crimes against the victims, standing in front of the victims and saying they are protecting the victims is worthy of a Greek tragedy.
A week ago it was the JOOOOS or Al Queda or .....
It is still illegal for Christians to build new or refurbish churches in Egypt.
And just days before the elections, Copts - who make up 10 percent of the population - were once again the subject of persecution, when a government moratorium on construction of a Christian community centre resulted in clashes between police and protestors. Two people were left dead and over 100 were detained, facing sentences of up to life in jail.
That is from the real article on the incident. You have to read the whole article to find it.
