Burning the Koran

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by fotze

No one has been able to explain the significance of burning a Korean on 9/11. Isn't burning a korean on any day offensive.

Oh, absolutely. It says blatantly says "I hate Islam".

But by having it on 9/11 it says "I hate Islam. Muslims should be blamed for what happened to the World Trade Centre."

So it carries twice the insult.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yup it is a vicious cycle. The problem of course, is that this church represents about 50 people but, it will be seen as an indictment against every Christian to some. You will never get everyone on that high road at once.

But you're not part of that church and yet you are trying to justify it.

Which is it?

[photon]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Are you refering to the accusations of racism and Islamicphobia? Where was the empathy demonstrated?

I didn't refer to any specific response, you just said it fell on deaf ears, but I guess now you say it didn't fall on deaf ears since you seem to know of some responses.

Which responses from the group contain accusations of racism and Islamophobia?

Why should the organizers of this complex be responsible to show any empathy? They didn't do anything.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Oh, absolutely. It says blatantly says "I hate Islam".

But by having it on 9/11 it says "I hate Islam. Muslims should be blamed for what happened to the World Trade Centre."

So it carries twice the insult.

I think you missed Fotze's joke.

[PIMking]

Yes! Organized religion causing more problems.

Good F'n Lord.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by fotze

No one has been able to explain the significance of burning a Korean on 9/11. Isn't burning a korean on any day offensive.

I would say that if you come from Best Korea, burning a South Korean would be encouraged, no?

[PIMking]

BTW, A lot of my Gator friends are worried about some nut job going into Ben Hill Griffin Stadium on Saturday and going all boom on them with 90k+ for a football stadium for some idiot at a church across town.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I think you missed Fotze's joke.

Aye. That I did. *stops posting on CP while doing crossword puzzle and watching the news*

[photon]

What I want to know is when the protests to the Shinto shrine near Pearl Harbour are.

Or heck, there's even a Mitsubishi dealership right on the water!! Let's burn Mitsubishi cars!

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by photon

So wait, first you make a case for religious freedom to burn books based on a scripture in Acts, but now you make a case against burning just any books by giving the scripture in Acts more context..

But I think I have it straight now, if the people in this church are all converted Muslims burning their own books that represent their old life then it should be allowed as restricting it would be against their religious freedom. Got it. Anyone know if Terry Jones is a converted Muslim?

No one's stopping them from burning their books that represent their old life.

Yes. I would say a church could only justify an action such as a book burning under those same circumstances. But, I'm not the Pastor or a member of this little church. They obviously see the passage differently.

What I'm suggesting is that regardless of their past practice they could use that verse and the typical blanket statement within their constitution concerning fidelity to scriptures to argue the justification for their action.

[photon]

And that's fine, no one's stopping them from doing so.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Yes. I would say a church could only justify an action such as a book burning under those same circumstances. But, I'm not the Pastor or a member of this little church. They obviously see the passage differently.

What I'm suggesting is that regardless of their past practice they could use that verse and the typical blanket statement within their constitution concerning fidelity to scriptures to argue the justification for their action.

You are so insanely out to lunch it's comical. You can't just point at a selection of scripture and use it to justify doing what ever you feel like and then claim religious persecution. Either you're being willfully obtuse or you're delusional as it's quite clear that the motivation for this act has no tie to scripture whatsoever.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Just a couple of threads ago you accused someone of being a wife beater. Why don't you expand on that since you are calling someone else out about previous posts? Some things you post can follow you around until they are cleared up. Just saying.

In that instance, the post I replied to was twisting itself in knots to validate a stance that was based on an initial false accusation/proposition.

Hence my rhetorical use of the old "when did you stop beating your wife" (probably more appropriately phrased "Do you still beat your wife?") to highlight the logical fallacy exemplified by the post.

I'm sorry that you've not come across this little phrase before. But you've clearly misunderstood the whole thing.

So yeah...

[missdpuck]

Gainesville is a university town- University of Florida is there. I don't think this freak is going to get any sympathy .
Much of Florida is still under drought/water restrictions so it's difficult to get a permit to burn anything.

I wonder if any UofF students are planning anythiing to protest this, or if they're just not going to dignify it with a response.


BTW, I didn't notice your"Gator" post until afte I made this one , PIMKing. Oooops.

And I forget how much you guys know about American college football. A helluva lot more than I do, that's for sure.

[flylock shox]

Thread merger perhaps?

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

But you're not part of that church and yet you are trying to justify it.

Which is it?

I'm not trying to justify them. I'm saying that obviously they have the legal right to burn some korans. But, like the people behind the ground zero mosque they should be taking that higher road you mentioned.

I do understand(as Azure pointed out) that the people behind the mosque weren't trying to be offensive whereas these Christains almost certainly are. But trying to or not the people behind this mosque have and are offending millions of people by their choice of location. And just like these christians their lack of empathy betrays their hearts.

[amorak]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I'm not trying to justify them. I'm saying that obviously they have the legal right to burn some korans. But, like the people behind the ground zero mosque they should be taking that higher road you mentioned.

I do understand(as Azure pointed out) that the people behind the mosque weren't trying to be offensive whereas these Christains almost certainly are. But trying to or not the people behind this mosque have and are offending millions of people by their choice of location. And just like these christians their lack of empathy betrays their hearts.

You've got to be kidding me.

[frinkprof]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

I'm not trying to justify them. I'm saying that obviously they have the legal right to burn some korans.

...so long as if they are planning to do so in the city Gainsville, FLA, they qualify for and are granted a permit on the grounds that it is not a fire hazard.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

In that instance, the post I replied to was twisting itself in knots to validate a stance that was based on an initial false accusation/proposition.
Hence my rhetorical use of the old "when did you stop beating your wife" (probably more appropriately phrased "Do you still beat your wife?") to highlight the logical fallacy exemplified by the post.
I'm sorry that you've not come across this little phrase before. But you've clearly misunderstood the whole thing.
So yeah...

I made no false accusation, are you sure you read it correctly? You on the other hand made an accusation with one purpose, to insult or discredit someone. It is easy to clear the air, apologize. Instead, you run in circles trying to explain why you made such an insult, twisting things to make it seem like an insult was a logical response.
I also did not misunderstand anything. I don't even see how our opinions differed in the thread in question.

[Flames in 07]

Just goes to prove organized religion doesn't just turn eastern cultured people into morons.