Muslims have nothing to apologize for

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

What I said was that the perception is that Muslims are not stepping in and calling the police when they know something is up within their community. Do you understand 'perception'? My statement is pretty accurate...I did not say Muslims were not stepping in and fingering those that plan attacks, I said that people think they are not. That is the problem, many many (most) innocent perfectly awesome Muslims despise the terrorists, yet there exists a perception that all Muslims may support terrorists.

I think there needs to be a more vocal majority, but that is my opinion.

On that thought, when did you stop beating your wife?

[Hemi-Cuda]

as long as women are allowed to be stoned to death because of some breach of "Islamic Law", or gay people hunted down like animals because of their lifestyle, Muslims have plenty to apologize for. it's a dark age religion as far as i'm concerned

the best thing that moderate Muslims could do, the ones that don't believe in sharia law or killing infidels, would be to rebrand themselves away from countries like Iran, UAE, Pakistan. hell how many different brands of Christianity is there?

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

On that thought, when did you stop beating your wife?

What the...

Am I missing out on a meme or something?

Where did that come from?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Canadian Muslim Congress is a pretty small clique. Just sayin'.

Maybe 200 members?

Canadian Islamic Congress is a much larger organization, but even saying that, it too pales as being an official spokesperson for the faith.

It's a top-down set-up.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by flylock shox

What the...

Am I missing out on a meme or something?

Where did that come from?

It's a lame old joke, but it seemed appropriate with respect to Nage's little gem of a circular thought process.

Basically, the post boiled down to "I'm not saying they're not doing it but there's a perception they're not and I'm not saying that's right but I'm just saying that because of the perception they should."

Giotto would have been proud.

[SeeBass]

Did men apologize for the shootings at the Polytechnique?

Just saying?

[atb]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

as long as women are allowed to be stoned to death because of some breach of "Islamic Law", or gay people hunted down like animals because of their lifestyle, Muslims have plenty to apologize for. it's a dark age religion as far as i'm concerned

the best thing that moderate Muslims could do, the ones that don't believe in sharia law or killing infidels, would be to rebrand themselves away from countries like Iran, UAE, Pakistan. hell how many different brands of Christianity is there?

There are as many different branches under Islam, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam#Denominations. Sunni and Shi'a are broken down even further.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Madhhab_Map2.png

[flylock shox]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

It's a lame old joke, but it seemed appropriate with respect to Nage's little gem of a circular thought process.

Basically, the post boiled down to "I'm not saying they're not doing it but there's a perception they're not and I'm not saying that's right but I'm just saying that because of the perception they should."

Giotto would have been proud.

Hmmm...

Well, since the whole exchange leading up to this confuses me (and appears to have a lot of backstory) I'll just keep out of this particular back-and-forth.

But I think there has been a long-standing public perception in Canada that Muslim communities have not been pro-active in forwarding information that would help in anti-terrorism measures. That perception is (or ought to be) changing with more recent developments, but it was an issue in the media for a long time. And when the media expresses a doubt, that doubt lives in the minds of the masses until it is refuted - which is only happening now IMO.

I had actually been thinking of starting a thread on whether and to what extent communities should be responsible for policing their own members. Is it fair to force that onus onto ordinary citizens? But this thread seems a good one to canvass that issue generally.

[Bownesian]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...errorists.html

In that poll (taken weeks after the 7/7 bombings), 6% of the Muslims polled said that the London Tube Bombings were justified; 24% have sympathy with the bomber's motives. (526 British Muslim adults surveyed). This is not the only poll of its kind in the UK and those represent huge numbers of people and not the fractional minority that it is politically correct to pretend.

I doubt that a poll of people who call themselves "environmentalists" would support the sour gas pipeline bombings in such numbers, nor would Catholics be in support for the shielding of pedophile priests in such numbers. Because of this, I think that the OP's reasoning is specious.

I also doubt the numbers in Canada would be so high but they were alarming to me at the time. I *am* fearful of a large group of people who believe that western societies should be changed (forcefully or peacefully) into Islamic states because I have traveled in some of those countries. For a time in history, those states were cosmopolitan centres of learning and science but now they are brutal, backwards, misogynistic and despotic despite great resource wealth.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by alltherage

I think he is arguing against apologizing, not condemning. It's one thing to say "those acts are not mine and the people committing them do not represent me or my religious community", it is another thing to say "I apologize for this person's act, on behalf of my religious community."

Read it. Opening sentence in the article: "Since the events of 9/11, imams and prominent members of the Muslim community have increasingly felt compelled to apologize for and condemn the acts of some Muslims who are arrested under anti-terrorism laws."

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

On that thought, when did you stop beating your wife?

Perhaps when he denounced his Muslim faith.

[Stimpy]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Perhaps when he denounced his Muslim faith.

So all Muslims beat their wives?

Using that logic, how long have you been a repressed homosexual?

Isn't it a well known fact that all evangelical christians have repressed homosexual desires that require conversion therapy?

[HeartsOfFire]

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[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

Did men apologize for the shootings at the Polytechnique?

Just saying?

Yeah, and for years I am pretty sure...

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

. hell how many different brands of Christianity is there?

global Christianity has 33,820 different denominations

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Cheese

global Christianity has 33,820 different denominations

that is an amazing stat

what is interesting that SOME of those individuals think that their 1 out of 33,820 is the only true path to dog

[alltherage]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Read it. Opening sentence in the article: "Since the events of 9/11, imams and prominent members of the Muslim community have increasingly felt compelled to apologize for and condemn the acts of some Muslims who are arrested under anti-terrorism laws."

Straight up, if the Muslim community doesn't condemn the acts, they will be perceived as endoursing them.

Maybe they shouldn't have to condemn these acts, but it goes a long way in restoring their image. Nobody held a gun to their head to tell them to condemn it- it is the right thing to do.

They should not have to apologize though.

[Calgaryborn]

Originally Posted by Stimpy

So all Muslims beat their wives?

Using that logic, how long have you been a repressed homosexual?

Isn't it a well known fact that all evangelical christians have repressed homosexual desires that require conversion therapy?

No not all Muslims beat their wife but, it is a tenant of their faith. Whereas there is nothing within the Jewish faith instructing them to beat their wife.

If you want an argument how about this one: What we call Muslim extremists are in fact Muslim fundamentalists. They are simply obeying their Prophet's teaching and following the example he set. Yes The Catholic church many centuries ago did authorize Holy wars but, the simularity ends there. The Christian's holy book and its founder didn't call for Holy war and Jesus certainly didn't leave that example to be followed. Furthermore the excess of that particular church was short lived. The Muslim religion on the other hand has conducted Holy wars since their foundation. The only difference is today they are faced with a more advanced army and have chosen to lower themselves to terrorism even at the expense of Muslim lives.

[SeeBass]

To be fair the Western world has a new religion that we fight wars over and its symbol looks like this...$

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

To be fair the Western world has a new religion that we fight wars over and its symbol looks like this...$

You sure? I'm pretty sure we only covet more $ to get more (*)(*)