Simpleton Canadians

[HeartsOfFire]

It is impossible to have a secure nation and still call it free. Likewise, it is impossible to have a free nation and call it secure. The only way to be both free AND secure is if you arm yourself, in which case, your individual security is something you take into your own hands.

[Matata]

Originally Posted by puckluck

How do you guys know she was a immigrant?

Immigrant, traveler, etc. Does it make a difference? She's in our country and breaking our rules.

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yeah but when was the last time you heard of terrorist Hutterites?

Seriously though, I think the only reason the Hutterites lost that battle is because they're Hutterites. What else are they going to do? Plus it didn't get any press. Yet the veil security thing and similar incidents - sharia law anyone? - all get major press and have large populations of religious fundamentalists to back up their cause and pervert our laws to their bidding.

I think the point that was being made was that your railing against our "backwards courts" was misguided. Just because you don't understand/agree with the limits on liberites vs. security that Courts have implemented doesn't mean that the Courts don't impose limits on liberty in this situation. I disagree with you 100% and would bet that if this case was brought before a court or an HRC, the willingness of the security officials to see the face in a private room by a female officer would absolutely be upheld as constitutional. I may be a bleeding heart, but I would have told them they couldn't pass and that they would be put on a no-fly list if they would not accede to reasonable security requirements.

Oh, and I think that security officers that let this slide should be reprimanded at the least, if not fired.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by onetwo_threefour

I think the point that was being made was that your railing against our "backwards courts" was misguided. Just because you don't understand/agree with the limits on liberites vs. security that Courts have implemented doesn't mean that the Courts don't impose limits on liberty in this situation. I disagree with you 100% and would bet that if this case was brought before a court or an HRC, the willingness of the security officials to see the face in a private room by a female officer would absolutely be upheld as constitutional. I may be a bleeding heart, but I would have told them they couldn't pass and that they would be put on a no-fly list if they would not accede to reasonable security requirements.

Oh, and I think that security officers that let this slide should be reprimanded at the least, if not fired.

I never said that a HRC would reverse the security process, just that the threat of a lawsuit is enough to scare our security offices to let these people through. AFAIK the HRC couldn't reverse the law but they could find that the officer infringed upon her rights despite the fact that he would have been totally right in denying her access.

Now I did say that it is "quite likely" that if taken to the Supreme Court that the law would be reversed because our courts are ass backwards. Now I don't necessarily think that is the case, I'm no expert in constitutional law, however based on some of the absolutely ridiculous rulings that we have seen from the SC of Canada, it wouldn't surprise me if they upheld the woman's claim. I should have worded it that it wouldn't shock me if the SC upheld the woman's claim not that it was quite likely that they would.

That being said, the HRC and the Supreme Court of Canada have shown a willingness to completely ignore common sense and allow fringe groups to have laws struck down or $$ settlements paid out even though they are valid. I'm not saying this is necessarily one of them but who knows crazier things have happened.

It appears we are in complete agreement that the security officers were completely wrong in allowing this woman access even though she refused to comply with our security measures.

[HOZ]

Here we have a prime example of being so open minded that their brains have fallen out.

1. The intro to show how understanding they are of XXXX group
2. Random example of "super friend" that happens to be of XXX group and how they are so Canadian. Heck if I brought up the Innu getting on planes without showing ID I am sure DA would have an Innu friend that spoke Japanese, Innu, Russian and English...had three sons on the Flames and three trilingual daughters about to become lawyers
3. THE RACE CARD!!!

And all together DA's post had....NOTHING to do with the post. It is a security issue and the fact that Political Correctness is getting in the way of these people properly doing their jobs.

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I think the whole "showing your face" thing is terribly insulting. The religious reasoning behind it is that women are told that men are biologically unable to control their sex drive and if they are tempted by a beautiful woman, they will at the least be tempted into sin in an aims to have sex with the woman and at the worst rape. So if a woman is raped, it is her fault for looking sexy. Therefore they must cover their bodies completely.

Codes: Most ARE willing to meet halfway. One of my closest friends came from Somalia. His daughters, while they DO wear the hijab, have been very well educated and have good jobs. His family cheer for Canada at the Olympics, his son is learning hockey, his English is near perfect and his children are tri-lingual (Somali, English, French). However, there are a few that refuse to meet halfway. And the anti-multicultural folk, (HOZ has in the past railed against multiculturalism) they seem to put a spotlight on these few. The attempt is to paint all Muslims, or all minorities, with the same brush.

Prove this ! Or take it back.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Yeah but when was the last time you heard of terrorist Hutterites?

Seriously though, I think the only reason the Hutterites lost that battle is because they're Hutterites. What else are they going to do? Plus it didn't get any press. Yet the veil security thing and similar incidents - sharia law anyone? - all get major press and have large populations of religious fundamentalists to back up their cause and pervert our laws to their bidding.

Some of the colonies are known for being theives though. They were terrible were I grew up they would rob from a nearby farm so you would go to the colony and have to take your stuff back.

Back on topic

[HOZ]

[SeeBass]

^^^I would like to fatwa that!!

[Devils'Advocate]

[QUOTE=HOZ;2631096]

2. Random example of "super friend" that happens to be of XXX group and how they are so Canadian. Heck if I brought up the Innu getting on planes without showing ID I am sure DA would have an Innu friend that spoke Japanese, Innu, Russian and English...had three sons on the Flames and three trilingual daughters about to become lawyers

This would suggest that I am being disingenuous. Next time you are Ottawa look me up... I'd be glad to introduce you.

And all together DA's post had....NOTHING to do with the post. It is a security issue and the fact that Political Correctness is getting in the way of these people properly doing their jobs.

That the title of this thread is "Simpleton Canadians" and not "Women go Through Security Without Proper Security Check" would mean to suggest that the insult towards Canadians by immigrants is the more important part of the story to you.

Prove this ! Or take it back.

Can't prove your motives. Just my opinion based on other threads about multiculturalism vs integration.

[missdpuck]

Next time I fly I'm going through security with a bag over my head. So there!

[mikey_the_redneck]

Our society is so neutered....

[HOZ]

[QUOTE=Devils'Advocate;2631196]

Originally Posted by HOZ

This would suggest that I am being disingenuous. Next time you are Ottawa look me up... I'd be glad to introduce you.



That the title of this thread is "Simpleton Canadians" and not "Women go Through Security Without Proper Security Check" would mean to suggest that the insult towards Canadians by immigrants is the more important part of the story to you.


Can't prove your motives. Just my opinion based on other threads about multiculturalism vs integration.

So are you saying you never read the article? You went from reading the title and using your telekinesis powers to understand the point I was making?

No way could the title, in any way, infer that the lady was correct in pointing out that the security people due to political correctness were simpletons, right?

Then on top of that you accuse me of "attempt is to paint all Muslims, or all minorities, with the same brush."

How have I done this? Prove it or take it back.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by missdpuck

Next time I fly I'm going through security with a bag over my head. So there!

Please do.

[Mad Mel]

Wow, apparently security is the number one priority. Glad to see everyone on board with that. Just remember though, if you whined about needing a passport to enter the USA, you're a hypocrite.