Cop caught on camera pushing a disabled women

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

"very small and feeble" is nothing more than sensationalist language in this scenario. Does being small somehow make you potentially any less threatening than someone who is huge?

Yeah, it does, and it also makes you a bully if you shove a small handicapped person like that to the ground.

If A "FBI" walked between the cops like that I wouldn't be calling him a bully, and it would not be on the news. /

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Here, I'll give you an example.

Woman stumbling and muttering "######ing pigs, stupid POS, get out of our neighborhood, I'll kill you if you come back here".

Woman makes contact with cop who she was just verbally abusing.

Cop reacts in a split second to the abusive woman touching him and instinctively pushes her to the ground.

Except that didnt happen.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

Except that didnt happen.

Really? Can you please provide some evidence that didn't happen?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Here, I'll give you an example.

Woman stumbling and muttering "######ing pigs, stupid POS, get out of our neighborhood, I'll kill you if you come back here".

Woman makes contact with cop who she was just verbally abusing.

Cop reacts in a split second to the abusive woman touching him and instinctively pushes her to the ground.

The irony is what you describe quite possibly happened and in no way justifies an assault, a cop on the downtown eastside has to be able to shrug off being called an effing pig and do their job, they are supposed to be the voice of reason not some over reactive yahoo that thinks being sworn at is justification for using force.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The irony is what you describe quite possibly happened and in no way justifies an assault, a cop on the downtown eastside has to be able to shrug off being called an effing pig and do their job, they are supposed to be the voice of reason not some over reactive yahoo that thinks being sworn at is justification for using force.

The scenario I describe does not match your narration of events.

According to the video, the cop reacted to the physical contact from the person. If the person was being verbally abusive, it simply puts the incident in a different context.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Really? Can you please provide some evidence that didn't happen?

No witness has mentioned it.
The cops didnt mention it.
The women didnt mention it.

She wasnt uttering threats to the cops, if she was she likely would of been handcuffed.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The scenario I describe does not match your narration of events.

According to the video, the cop reacted to the physical contact from the person. If the person was being verbally abusive, it simply puts the incident in a different context.

But she wasnt, so you're out of context.

[SportsJunky]

I don't like the way she was looking at him.

[Machiavelli]

That is absolutely disgusting.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The scenario I describe does not match your narration of events.

According to the video, the cop reacted to the physical contact from the person. If the person was being verbally abusive, it simply puts the incident in a different context.

If someone is being abusive and brushes up against the cop, as the video shows, the cop should at best arrest them, better yet engage them and find out why they are tweaking, call a bus and have them given appropriate care.

He reacted because he was pissed she touched him, she was beyond him when he turned and pushed her in the back, this was a message to her and the street to not touch VPD, stay away from them and clear the path when they walk down the street.

There are no scenarios where a smaller woman with her back to a 230 pound cop with 2 other cops needs to floor a woman.

What the hell though she's probably a mad drunk violent native so who cares! of course if he pulled that crap on Robson St to a middle class white woman his arse would be gone from the force.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I'm surprised how much outrage this is generating.
I think the cop was in the wrong and is likely an a hole, but in comparison to other VPD assaults on people and abuses of power, this is quite tame. Seems to be getting much more attention than other examples that were far worse.

I wonder what the reaction would be like if she was a drunk native women instead.

[jhunt223]

I hate cops to the point that i feel no remorse when they die. However, i fail to see anything really wrong with what he did here. If someone tries to walk through a group of these bullies almost anywhere in the world there's most likely going to be some altercation. But this happened in East Hastings, where it really would be hard to tell the difference between someone with cerebral palsy and some aids infested junkie.

This ego maniac is even writing a personal apology letter that he probably isn't being forced to write. It isn't everyday you hear about a cop admitting they were wrong.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

No witness has mentioned it.
The cops didnt mention it.
The women didnt mention it.

She wasnt uttering threats to the cops, if she was she likely would of been handcuffed.

The cops have refused to comment on this story.

“While the Department respects the investigative process that is underway and would not wish to say or do anything that would taint that investigation, we must acknowledge that the video will cause concern for many who view it," reads the police statement.

Have there been any witnesses who have come forward yet?

We've only heard from the woman.

You're making some pretty massive assumptions about a) what the cops will say and b) what other eye witness accounts will say.

Sorry Beerfest, you're argument is invalid.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

If someone is being abusive and brushes up against the cop, as the video shows, the cop should at best arrest them, better yet engage them and find out why they are tweaking, call a bus and have them given appropriate care.

AFC, honest question, have you ever been to East Hastings?

If the cops arrested and provided appropriate care to everyone who was on drugs in East Hastings, BC would probably go bankrupt.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The cops have refused to comment on this story.

“While the Department respects the investigative process that is underway and would not wish to say or do anything that would taint that investigation, we must acknowledge that the video will cause concern for many who view it," reads the police statement.

Have there been any witnesses who have come forward yet?

We've only heard from the woman.

You're making some pretty massive assumptions about a) what the cops will say and b) what other eye witness accounts will say.

Sorry Beerfest, you're argument is invalid.

No, your argument is invalid. If she was uttering threats she probably would of been handcuffed, not allowed to get up and walk away.

Unless the cops are fine with a disabled women walking around uttering threats.

[HOZ]

Usually 9/10 times I would side with the police. BUT! There was no way she was going for his gun and no way that you would think so. At best she came up and said something to them and annoyed the constable in question. He then knocked her down. Considering the complete lack of professionalism in the Vancouver police for decades now, this is another feather in their cap.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by HOZ

Usually 9/10 times I would side with the police. BUT! There was no way she was going for his gun and no way that you would think so. At best she came up and said something to them and annoyed the constable in question. He then knocked her down. Considering the complete lack of professionalism in the Vancouver police for decades now, this is another feather in their cap.

I don't think so, if you look at the part where they almost collide the cop steps to the left around her and when they pass her right arm is definitely doing something somewhere around the belt because after she passes him her arm comes last. When this happens he pushes her. I'm not saying it happened for sure but to rule it out 100% you need more then this video.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

No, your argument is invalid.

Really Beerfest? Try just a little harder than that.

If I wanted my own comeback, I'd ask your Mother for it. OH SNAP

Unless the cops are fine with a disabled women walking around uttering threats.

Beerfest, I've got to question whether or not you know much at all about police operating procedures. Between this thread and the G-20 riot one, your irrational hatred and distrust of authority is really starting to show.

[Beerfest]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Really Beerfest? Try just a little harder than that.

If I wanted my own comeback, I'd ask your Mother for it. OH SNAP



Beerfest, I've got to question whether or not you know much at all about police operating procedures. Between this thread and the G-20 riot one, your irrational hatred and distrust of authority is really starting to show.

It wasnt a comeback at all...You're your arguament is invalid because you have no facts to back up what you're saying. You're reaching to defend a cop.

Is it really a suprise the distrust people have in authority nowadays?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Beerfest

You're your arguament is invalid because you have no facts to back up what you're saying. You're reaching to defend a cop.

Again, straw man fallacy.

What I've been saying is that there is not enough evidence to judge. I've provided alternative scenarios of the event (which you are continuing to judge without any audio!), which I've prefaced using the words "if". I'm going to guess Beerfest, that you don't work in a profession which actually performs investigations, because assuming certain facts and reaching conclusions prior to attaining all the information is not a correct thing to do.

Throughout this thread you've demonstrated:

a) an overall distrust of authority
b) assumptions of fact (assuming conversations prior to the incident without base)
c) assumptions of outcomes (if she said this, the police must do this)

This incident isn't nearly as cut and dry as you're trying to make it out to be.