Rape by deception: crime or no crime?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Could you walk me through the "he might have given me hiv" to "he might have given me islam" transition?

The main point is that non-disclosure involving sex has been considered a crime. Now for non-disclosure to be a crime you would have to prove that the non-disclosure caused you harm. This is where she doesn't have a case.

So while I disagree with the man being charged I think that their would be a case to be made in some circumstance where lying to someone to get them to have sex with you could be considered a crime. What crime and what the punishment would be I am still not sure. But if cyber-bullying is becoming criminal meaning that words can cause criminal harm couldn't lying to get laid be construed as the same thing.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Could you walk me through the "he might have given me hiv" to "he might have given me islam" transition?

It's fairly simple. If a woman says to me "I am deeply religious and will only have sex with a fellow Scientologist so as not to condemn my soul to eternal damnation", and I reply with "you are in luck for I learned all I needed to know at the knee of L. Ron Hubbard", I think this deception is material and serious enough where I can see this being deemed "sexual assault".
Recall the fellow in Pennsylvania who was charged after getting sex by pretending to be Roethlisberger - what was he actually charged with (I cannot remember)?
Now, this case certainly doesn't seem to be that serious, and either we are lacking some material facts or we have a judge who takes race/religion very seriously....

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by GGG

The main point is that non-disclosure involving sex has been considered a crime. Now for non-disclosure to be a crime you would have to prove that the non-disclosure caused you harm. This is where she doesn't have a case.

So while I disagree with the man being charged I think that their would be a case to be made in some circumstance where lying to someone to get them to have sex with you could be considered a crime. What crime and what the punishment would be I am still not sure. But if cyber-bullying is becoming criminal meaning that words can cause criminal harm couldn't lying to get laid be construed as the same thing.

Absolutely, but even after the lie, or witholding of certain information, usually there is some type of sexual attraction between partners.

You're saying that this stud delivery man managed to convince her he was a secret Jewish billionaire named "Daniel"

[Locke]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Absolutely, but even after the lie, or witholding of certain information, usually there is some type of sexual attraction between partners.

You're saying that this stud delivery man managed to convince her he was a secret Jewish billionairenamed "Daniel"

Good morning ma'am, please sign here with your vagina.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Absolutely, but even after the lie, or witholding of certain information, usually there is some type of sexual attraction between partners.

You're saying that this stud delivery man managed to convince her he was a secret Jewish billionaire named "Daniel"

No i said based on what I know from the article this ladies full of crap but I could see situations in which lying could be considered an assualt of some kind.

[MJM]

The girl banged him in an ally within hours of meeting him from what i've read in this read. If you get right down to it, she's as greasy as he is. Maybe they should both be lokced up if the judge wants to talk about morality.

[IliketoPuck]

Totally agree, the lady is a fine example of outstanding morality. Getting taken in a delivery van in an alley by a guy she just met screams of religious values.

She should be less worried about the religion of the guy she slept with and more worried about the STi's (right?) that she has from her other 999 conquests.

[flamesrule_kipper34]

I haven't read thru that entire article, but did he do more to mislead her or was this whole thing implied by the name he gave her?

[Prototype]

Lisa: Promise me you'll never die.
Gary Johnston: You know I can't promise that.
Lisa: If you did that, I would make love to you right now.
Gary Johnston: I promise I'll never die.

As far as my understanding goes, Rape is forcing intercourse upon someone without consent. There had to be a moment where the people involved said "You want to do this", where the other one said "Yes". Unless she said "You want to do this, Daniel?", I don't think she has a case.

[HOZ]

Extremely strange and

Quote from the story...the people around the case think so too.

Adnan Aladdin, Kashur's lawyer, said he had filed an appeal to ensure the verdict was not considered to be setting a precedent, adding that otherwise "many men would find themselves in jail".

Israeli legal experts said they found the verdict disquieting. "It puts the law in the position of what could loosely be described as discrimination. I would feel intuitively uncomfortable about prosecuting someone for something like that," said a former senior justice ministry official.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's fairly simple. If a woman says to me "I am deeply religious and will only have sex with a fellow Scientologist so as not to condemn my soul to eternal damnation", and I reply with "you are in luck for I learned all I needed to know at the knee of L. Ron Hubbard", I think this deception is material and serious enough where I can see this being deemed "sexual assault".
Recall the fellow in Pennsylvania who was charged after getting sex by pretending to be Roethlisberger - what was he actually charged with (I cannot remember)?
Now, this case certainly doesn't seem to be that serious, and either we are lacking some material facts or we have a judge who takes race/religion very seriously....

Google says the Roethlisberger impersonator stole $3200 from his mark.

The Israeli woman in this story gave her dignity away just like "Daniel" did, so what exactly did this guy steal? Clearly not her virginity.

As for this religious deception being material, I think that sets an ugly precedent that I'd rather not get into. Let's hope there are missing facts because otherwise someone's going to miss out on 18 months of freedom.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I think we are missing the point here:

How easy Jewish girls are! Strike up a conversation and you can be banging?!?! Amazing!

This is way truer than you can imagine.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Google says the Roethlisberger impersonator stole $3200 from his mark.

The Israeli woman in this story gave her dignity away just like "Daniel" did, so what exactly did this guy steal? Clearly not her virginity.

As for this religious deception being material, I think that sets an ugly precedent that I'd rather not get into. Let's hope there are missing facts because otherwise someone's going to miss out on 18 months of freedom.

I agree. I am just saying I can see the religion issue being material and leading to charges, as per my example.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Maybe ...."Daniel" was not circumsized?

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by peter12

This is way truer than you can imagine.

Pics.

[CaptainCrunch]

Well, the number of lies that I told girls in the bar to pick them up means a life sentence for me and probably a DNA sample to the awesome pickup hall of fame database.

Guys lie to get sex, we're all rich, former pro athlete fighter pilots just for a night, then we dive out the window without our shoes to avoid the confrontation the next day.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

It's fairly simple. If a woman says to me "I am deeply religious and will only have sex with a fellow Scientologist so as not to condemn my soul to eternal damnation", and I reply with "you are in luck for I learned all I needed to know at the knee of L. Ron Hubbard", I think this deception is material and serious enough where I can see this being deemed "sexual assault".
Recall the fellow in Pennsylvania who was charged after getting sex by pretending to be Roethlisberger - what was he actually charged with (I cannot remember)?
Now, this case certainly doesn't seem to be that serious, and either we are lacking some material facts or we have a judge who takes race/religion very seriously....

According to the news reports I can find the charges were due to money he obtained based on his impersonation, so it was a theft issue. I don't know of any instance where lying about identity (as opposed to having STD's) to obtain sex has ever been found to be a crime by a US or Canadian court. Hopefully not an Australian one either, as I was a locked out NHL player living in Sydney on certain evenings in 2005

[algernon]

I almost made it with a girl when I was about 17, out at Kenossee Lake in SE Saskatchewan. Turns out the whole night, she thought I was some dude named Zach. As it was getting heavy, I stupidly admitted my name was indeed, Algernon. She slapped me and got quite angry. I have regretted my stupidity for 14 years.
Apparently, I was just not being a rapist.
Yay me.

[bc-chris]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Interesting story. I wonder if the young Israeli woman has met her estranged cousin from Clapham.

what are you talking about 'estranged cousin'.... it sounds like christina saunders went on a roadtrip!!!

.... 1000 + 1

[Locke]

Originally Posted by algernon

I almost made it with a girl when I was about 17, out at Kenossee Lake in SE Saskatchewan. Turns out the whole night, she thought I was some dude named Zach. As it was getting heavy, I stupidly admitted my name was indeed, Algernon. She slapped me and got quite angry. I have regretted my stupidity for 14 years.
Apparently, I was just not being a rapist.
Yay me.

Yeah, evidently a name like 'Algernon' is a serious dealbreaker. Should have rolled with Zach, and then when the deed was done you could profess that your name was Zach, but you may or may not have been the Zach she was looking for. Mistaken identity is a legal defense!