Honour Murderer skips jail

[HPLovecraft]

Why does it say "promiscuous" 14-year-old daughter? Isn't that a bit disrespectful of a dead kid? At least, the way I take the meaning of the word to be, it is to me . . .

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

Do you seriously not understand the concept of a refugee?

Conventional Refugee

Criteria

Refugees applying from outside of Canada may be sponsored by the federal government or by private organizations or groups of individuals.

Applications are assessed by a foreign service officer who determines whether the individual meets Canada's definition of a refugee and is likely to settle successfully, given the level of assistance available. If accepted, the applicant is given a visa and becomes a permanent resident of Canada upon arrival.

In order to be classified a refugee, applicants must meet one of the following determinations:

Convention refugee are persons who, by reason of well-founded fear of persecution, for reason of race, religion, nationality, political opinion or membership in a particular social group, are unable or unwilling to return to their countries of birth or habitual residence.

Members of designated classes are persons in refugee-like situations who are in need of resettlement, even though they may not meet the strict definition of convention refugee. This class is determined by the federal minister responsible to international events or crises. Current designated classes are applicants from Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Afghanistan, El Salvador, Guatemala.

Special humanitarian measures may be implemented for people from countries experiencing national emergencies or natural disasters, who have relatives in Canada and do not meet the definition of refugee, in order lawfully bring them to Canada.

It doesn't look to me like she fits any of the above categories.

http://www.canadaimmigrationlaw.net/...on/refugee.htm

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

It doesn't look to me like she fits any of the above categories.

http://www.canadaimmigrationlaw.net/...on/refugee.htm

So it's pretty clear you have no idea of who Chechens are or what has been going on in Chechnya.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by puckluck

You are one of the most ignorant people I have come across.

Its an old story here in Canada... if you want to come to Canada for a better life (which is what she has said is the reason she came here) and you cannot meet the minimum requirements by applying as an immigrant.....

then claim you are a refugee.

No doubt she has endured some hardships and difficulty in Chechnia when Russia invaded the country but the Russians aren't there anymore.... and the last I heard... there are a lot of muslims in Chechnia... so it can't be religious persecution.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Its an old story here in Canada... if you want to come to Canada for a better life (which is what she has said is the reason she came here) and you cannot meet the minimum requirements by applying as an immigrant.....

then claim you are a refugee.

No doubt she has endured some hardships and difficulty in Chechnia when Russia invaded the country but the Russians aren't there anymore.... and the last I heard... there are a lot of muslims in Chechnia... so it can't be religious persecution.

You're cute

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by valo403

You're cute

Thank you. My wife thinks so too.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Its an old story here in Canada... if you want to come to Canada for a better life (which is what she has said is the reason she came here) and you cannot meet the minimum requirements by applying as an immigrant.....

then claim you are a refugee.

No doubt she has endured some hardships and difficulty in Chechnia when Russia invaded the country but the Russians aren't there anymore.... and the last I heard... there are a lot of muslims in Chechnia... so it can't be religious persecution.

Things are copacetic there now: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0122009en.pdfl

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Things are copacetic there now: http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/as...0122009en.pdfl

Ah.... Amnesty International...

The same illustious group that blasted Canada at the United Nations for human rights abuses.

Canada could soon find itself "named and shamed" as a country that violates human rights in a United Nations review.

Close to 50 submissions blasting Canada – on everything from the state of indigenous peoples to problems with immigration policy – have been filed with the Geneva-based United Nations Human Rights Council as part of a new review process for UN nations.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/569870

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Ah.... Amnesty International...

The same illustious group that blasted Canada at the United Nations for human rights abuses.




http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/569870

Amnesty International is a pretty fantastic group. Every country in the world commits human rights violations to some extent or another, and they all deserve to be brought forward and discussed. That doesn't mean Canada is freakin' Pakistan all of the sudden:

"To be criticized doesn't mean Canada has joined the worst of the worst (abusing nations)," said Alex Neve, secretary-general of Amnesty International Canada, of Canada's review that begins Feb. 3. "But as a general rule, Canadians are proud this is a country that believes in human rights and do want our governments (federal, provincial and territorial) to do the right thing."

[fredr123]

Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade isn't too keen on Chechnya right now either: http://www.voyage.gc.ca/countries_pa....asp?id=249000

OFFICIAL WARNING: Foreign Affairs and International Trade Canada advises against all travel to the republics of Chechnya, Ingushetia, and Dagestan as well as to the republics of Karachai-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria (including the Mount Elbrus region), and North Ossetia, and the regions of Budyonnosky, Levokumsky, Neftekumsky, Stepnovsky and Kurski, part of the district of Stavropol Krai. Canadians in these areas should leave. Canadians contemplating travel in these areas despite this warning are taking serious and unwarranted risks. The ability of the Embassy of Canada in Moscow to render assistance is severely limited or non-existent.

Since the beginning of summer 2009, these regions of the North Caucasus have witnessed a new rise in terrorist attacks. Suicide bombings occur on a regular basis, mostly in the republics of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia. Targeted assassinations have also taken place. The security situation continues to be unstable and dangerous. Unexploded mines and munitions are widespread. Kidnapping for ransom is also common.

As a result of the 2008 conflict in Georgia, ongoing tensions remain in regions bordering this country, which may have an impact on the security situation in the republics of Karachai-Cherkessia, Kabardino-Balkaria and North Ossetia. The main border crossing is currently closed, and traversing at other crossing points is uncertain.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I think Stalin should have been a lot more thorough about dealing with the Chechens...

Do you now?

Maybe he should have have finished what he started with the Ukrainians as well?

[afc wimbledon]

You don't 'fight someone off' with a scarf, you come up behind them and choke them, probably as they were trying to leave the room after telling you to go hang yourself and your old country rules.

Murder, probably first degree.

[Jetsfan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why does it say "promiscuous" 14-year-old daughter? Isn't that a bit disrespectful of a dead kid? At least, the way I take the meaning of the word to be, it is to me . . .

To place some of the blame on the daughter and make the murderer...err...mom...look like the victim.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Wiggum_PI

I totally agree with you, and I'm just trying to say there seems to be even more leniency when it comes to sentencing immigrants.

Prove it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

You don't 'fight someone off' with a scarf, you come up behind them and choke them, probably as they were trying to leave the room after telling you to go hang yourself and your old country rules.

Murder, probably first degree.

Your partially right. There are two ways to strangle someone with a scarf. Obviously from behind. Or from on top on a prone victim lying either face up or face down and applying your weight directly on the victim to subdue them.

Its next to impossible to strangle a person with an object like a scarf in a standing face to face position.

I still think that the sentencing is moronic due to the fact that outside of drowning someone, strangulation is the crime where you can most likely stop yourself from killing someone due to the time it takes for a victim to die. Plus a victim will pass out long before death occurs and will definitely stop struggling.

I have a lot of trouble with the judge ignoring the lack of finger prints on the supposed weapon of choice of the victim.

To me there is to much wrong with the defence which the judge obviously disagreed with by finding her guilty to allow for such a stupid and ridiculous sentence.

I also still strongly state that if your an immigrant or refugee and your found guilty of a serious or violent crime that your status is revoked and your sent back to your former country or situation.

At the very least this woman should already be on a plane on the way home.

[fredr123]

Bump.

Crown appeals sentence: http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alber.../14781091.html

“The trial judge erred in principle in his assessment of the aggravating circumstances,” Tomljanovic wrote, in his notice filed with the Alberta Court of Appeal.


“The sentence imposed was not proportional to the gravity of the offence and the culpability of the offender,” he added.


“The sentence imposed was demonstrably unfit in that it failed to adequately address deterrence, denunciation, and retribution.”

The Crown has already appealed LoVecchio’s ruling last October, to acquit Magomadova of the more serious charge of second-degree murder.


No date for either appeal has been set.

[burn_this_city]

I'm glad they appealed. That sentence was a joke.

[CaptainCrunch]

I have more of a question around the second degree murder charge.

My dad did jury duty on a murder case where a guy came home and found his wife in bed with a friend of his. He stabbed them both. Originally the defense tried to deal down to manslaughter and the judge refused it because in the time that the guy left the room and went to the kitchen to get a knife he had a moment of reflection to change his mind. Because he went to the kitchen grabbed a knife and went back upstairs it became a planned murder.

In my mind in this case the mother had 2.5 minutes at least to stop her emotions. She might have been angry and emotional when she started choking the life out of the girl, but she had a long period of time to stop killing her daughter.

[fredr123]

Calgary Herald weighs in: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Cr...medium=twitter

I wish I was independently wealthy so I could order transcripts and copies of the filed documents to make available online. Still peeved (but not surprised) that the trial judge didn't hand down a written decision in this case.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Calgary Herald weighs in: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Cr...medium=twitter

I wish I was independently wealthy so I could order transcripts and copies of the filed documents to make available online. Still peeved (but not surprised) that the trial judge didn't hand down a written decision in this case.

If I was PM a written decision would be mandatory in all death related cases.