Bosh on Twitter: "Should I stay or should I go?"

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I don't follow the NBA contract wise do players ever sign 1 year deals, Hossa style, in the NBA? So could a guy like Wade or Bosh wait to see where Lebron signs, sign a cheaper deal with that team, then become UFA the next summer?

Could they? Yes, at least in theory.

But the current salary cap "climate" in the NBA is unlike anything I've ever seen in pro sports. Some (if not most) teams have been planning to sign free agents this offseason for two or three years. The Knicks specifically have purged all the talent (*snicker*) and all the salary commitents from their team so they can hand LeBron a max contract and let him do anything he wants with the franchise, including signing a max contract to at least one other player.
And that's just one team. The entire league has been holding it's collective breath for two years waiting for this upcoming offseason. There's no way any of these players negate this leverage.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I don't follow the NBA contract wise do players ever sign 1 year deals, Hossa style, in the NBA? So could a guy like Wade or Bosh wait to see where Lebron signs, sign a cheaper deal with that team, then become UFA the next summer?

If you're a max player, you want a 3 year deal minimum. That way your new team can go over the cap to re-sign you at the max when your contract expires.

[van fan down by river]

I watched a story about it on the score. With Bosh and James going to Chicago. It was very detailed and interesting to watch.

[Mango]

Sources: Bosh gives Raptors wish list

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...r_espn_5208043

Raptors, Bulls, Lakers, Heat and Knicks

[OILFAN #81]

Originally Posted by Mango

Sources: Bosh gives Raptors wish list

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...r_espn_5208043

Raptors, Bulls, Lakers, Heat and Knicks

He is just going to wait and see where Lebron and perhaps Wade sign IMO.

[octothorp]

Damn, I'm disappointed Houston isn't on the list. But honestly, I don't see any way that this list stays the same after the James/Wade destinations gets settled. Imagine that James and Wade both sign in Miami. Suddenly a S&T with NY pretty much guts the Knicks and leaves them with a very weak team around Bosh. Say they trade Lee (also on a sign-and-trade) and Gallinari, they could potentially go into next season with a starting lineup of Duhon, McGrady, Chandler, Bosh, and Barron. That team isn't going to get anywhere in the east. And if the Lakers win a championship, they might be pretty happy with their current roster. That leaves the Bulls, who really have the least to offer Toronto - Noah and Rose aren't going anywhere, and beyond those two, Chicago doesn't have a lot to offer.

It does shed some light on Bosh's priorities though: the one thing that the five cities have in common is that they are all cosmopolitan, international cities. Only one of them (the Lakers) is a guaranteed contender.

[Hustle]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

He is just going to wait and see where Lebron and perhaps Wade sign IMO.

Yup. I think you'll see Wade stay in Miami.. it's James that's up in the air IMO.

I just can't see Bosh staying in T.O. That LBJ/Bosh package to Chicago still makes too much sense to me. Add those guys to what Chicago currently has and that team is serious contender.

[bluejays]

What I don't get is how Bosh fits on LA? Bynum's their Centre, Gasol's their PF. If Bosh would be dealt for Bynum and expiring contracts, does Gasol move to Centre? I personally really like David Lee and Gallinari. It doesn't make them a winner in the East simply because they don't have that athletic centre, but it does give them some nice options to move guys around.

C: Lee
PF: Bargnani (gag)
SF: Gallinari
SG: Turkoglu
PG: Jack/Calderon

By flexibility, I mean, Jack and/or Calderon along with Bargnani could be dealt in a package to get a real scorer, along with the draft pick they have this year. Colangelo better be working his magic this off-season because the next 4 seasons heavily depend on what he does with this roster this summer.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Say they trade Lee (also on a sign-and-trade) and Gallinari, they could potentially go into next season with a starting lineup of Duhon, McGrady, Chandler, Bosh, and Barron.

You are way under-valuing the free agent crop. At worst the Knicks end up with Joe Johnson and Amare Stoudamire or some other combo of second tier max-contract guys. They won't trade Gallinari and wouldn't easily part with Lee.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by fleury

What I don't get is how Bosh fits on LA? Bynum's their Centre, Gasol's their PF. If Bosh would be dealt for Bynum and expiring contracts, does Gasol move to Centre?

Does it matter? That would be the best front-court in the league.

[burning_acid1]

I think he's leaving for sure. Why make such a huge scene when you know you're leaving? At best, TO will make it to the playoffs next year and get knocked out in the first round.

[burning_acid1]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Does it matter? That would be the best front-court in the league.

Yeah that would be a great frontcourt. Gasol usually slides to the 5 when they play small by bringing Odom into the 4 spot.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by fleury

SG: Turkoglu

Kobe's 81 would be challenged every night.

Originally Posted by fleury

Colangelo better be working his magic this off-season because the next 4 seasons heavily depend on what he does with this roster this summer.

rant:
No, Coangelo already crippled this team by signing a career journeyman to a huge contract after having a huge postseason in a tailor-made offense that was born in the 70s and doesn't keep himself in shape the season before a generational free agency period that could result in the team losing their franchise player that plays the same role as a signing that was and continues to be the worst in the league.
/rant

Originally Posted by fleury

Jack and/or Calderon along with Bargnani could be dealt in a package to get a real scorer, along with the draft pick they have this year.

I'm baffled that you think moving Barg would improve our offense.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Gozer

Kobe's 81 would be challenged every night.



rant:
No, Coangelo already crippled this team by signing a career journeyman to a huge contract after having a huge postseason in a tailor-made offense that was born in the 70s and doesn't keep himself in shape the season before a generational free agency period that could result in the team losing their franchise player that plays the same role as a signing that was and continues to be the worst in the league.
/rant




I'm baffled that you think moving Barg would improve our offense.

A) No doubt Turkoglu is a lazy half assed player, but the Raps can't move that contract no matter what. So you live with it and hope to God he produces when starting. Realistically, he's staying a Raptor for a very long time.

B) What's so baffling about moving Bargs and improving the TEAM? Lets get to what Bargnani has first. He has excellent size and possesses speed and quickness that is rare in the league (for his size). He also has a sweet stroke which is can knock down from long range. What he does not have consistently is the determination to drive the net; a post-up move; offensive awareness, ballhandling (not really a fair asserting because of his size); and a variety of areas he can knock down the shot from (always from the centre more or less). Now, you can look at the numbers all you like and say he has 18ppg and 8rpg, but he does it inconsistently, does get a lot of uncontested rebounds when nobody else is around, and get a lot during garbage time. He rarely asserts himself like a big man should. When you look at teams who win, a pass-first PG is something very essential, along with that athletic wing who can do it all. When you look past Bargnani's size and his natural ability, you see a guy who's not all that enthusiastic to do the dirty work to win and there's no way he's on a championship team as a first or second option.

Hypothetically speaking (and I know this wouldn't happen), but lets say Deron Williams was available for Bargnani, Jack and DeRozan. Then say Calderon and the 13th is dealt for Gerald Wallace. An authentic Centre like Haywood could be signed and the lineup would look like a solid contender. I'm not saying it's this easy or these guys above are available for that price either, I'm just saying that there are pieces to move and hopefully Colangelo sees that his son, Bargnani is holding the team back and he'll never realize his potential. The possible return for the guy is quite high I'm certain though.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by fleury

What he does not have consistently is the determination to drive the net; a post-up move; offensive awareness, ballhandling (not really a fair asserting because of his size); and a variety of areas he can knock down the shot from (always from the centre more or less). Now, you can look at the numbers all you like and say he has 18ppg and 8rpg, but he does it inconsistently, does get a lot of uncontested rebounds when nobody else is around, and get a lot during garbage time. He rarely asserts himself like a big man should.

I broadly disagree with your list of Barg's shortcomings. I had started to list them off but there's really no point.
We have very different observations of his skill set.