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Old 04-09-2010, 04:04 PM   #41
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I still think that at some point there needs to be a logical discussion with kids and teenagers about Abstinance. But there needs to be a discussion about other alternatives to abstinance and how they can protect themselves. However I don't think that anyone should be promoting condoms as 100% effective at protecting these kids from pregnancy or worse.

I think a lot of people snort at abstinance and then shrug their shoulders and say "What can you do, Kids are going to f%%ck" anyways. I think thats lazy teaching or lazy parenting. I mean I think back to it, my old man basically tossed me a condom everytime I left the house on a date, i believed that if I used a condom I was entirely safe thats the way they promoted it, they even used the term safe sex. Sounds pretty secure right?

The only true safe sex is pretty much no sex. Condom use during sex is safer sex then going bareback, but its not 100% effective, nor should it be promoted that way.
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Old 04-09-2010, 09:42 PM   #42
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Uh, this is a good discussion about the merits of abstinence-education and sex education, but I think it misses the most important point here--which is that a district attorney, whose job is to uphold and enforce the law is attempting to legislate from the courtroom.

It's at best an egregious abuse of power, and though I don't know much about the professional code of ethics that he's bound by I would not be surprised if at worst he's at risk of severe sanction by the court, the bar association or both.

This guy is not just an idiot--he's an idiot who's willing to abuse his power to advance a political agenda. I hope he gets the book thrown at him, for harassing the teachers if nothing else--it isn't the district attorney's job to make law, or to write curricula for that matter. What a knob.

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Old 04-09-2010, 10:20 PM   #43
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Um, yeah, how effective is abstinence? What percentage of people do you figure dont have sex until they're married?
I don't think the goal of abstinence education should be the prevention of sex until marriage. The real goal of sex education is to decrease unintended consequences of sex such as STD's and unwanted pregnencies. Therefore developing a program that reduces sexual contact is definately a plus.

To me the ideal program is one that promotes abstaining from sex outside of committed relationships and postponing sex within these relationships. And then when sex does occur the individuals should have the knowledge to do it safely.

An abstinence education program combined with proper contraceptive use is probably the best of both worlds. Where things get into trouble is when you have abstinence only education which i don't think you see in Canada. In the catholic school I went to it was basically abstinence first then explaining usage of contraception and their failure rates.
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Old 04-10-2010, 01:15 AM   #44
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An abstinence education program combined with proper contraceptive use is probably the best of both worlds. Where things get into trouble is when you have abstinence only education which i don't think you see in Canada. In the catholic school I went to it was basically abstinence first then explaining usage of contraception and their failure rates.
I preface my comments by stating that I'm not trying to start another huge debate about the public school system:

That being said, it really depends on which government is in power in Alberta, that will direct our sex ed. curriculum.

If the WRA gets into power, I have no doubt we will move towards an abstinence only sex ed. program (regardless of how libertarian Danielle Smith claims she is). The WRA will attract the most socially conservative and fundamentalist of Christians. They will be the ones who direct the WRA policy manual.

From an education perspective, I think sex ed. should be primarily about information. Kids, being curious (and sometimes defiant), don't tend to listen to advice that simply warns them of the consequences of sex and therefore they should wait until age 30.

If kids are enlightened, and have their questions answered, they have a better chance of making good choices. Obviously, nobody wants to see 14 year-olds shacking up (and that message should be conveyed as part of the curriculum).

Finally, one can only hope this district attorney faces huge sanctions from his state's bar association. Come to think of it, teachers are probably lining up to get arrested. It will be the Scopes Trial all over again.
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Old 04-10-2010, 09:50 PM   #45
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BTW: Sex-Ed is not teaching kids the Kama Sutra. It is a biology class detailing how the human sexual organs work and how pregnancy happens.
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BTW: Sex-Ed is not teaching kids the Kama Sutra. It is a biology class detailing how the human sexual organs work and how pregnancy happens.
WHAT? What a rip!!!! I thought it was PE and taught skills!
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BTW: Sex-Ed is not teaching kids the Kama Sutra. It is a biology class detailing how the human sexual organs work and how pregnancy happens.
Dude but if you teach them that they will book tickets to LA to get into porn and ruin their lives.
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Dude but if you teach them that they will book tickets to LA to get into porn and ruin their lives.
That what computer class is all for.

Learning how to download porn without getting the computer all mucked up with viruses.
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