Well I smite have to elabrote a bit. They don't suck like Nickleback, they just use a familiar forumla and stick with it like Nickleback.
I hear ya... I just don't necessarily agree. I suppose they might both have 'easily identifiable sounds', I don't know if that equates to 'using a familiar forumla', which I think Nickleback engages in spades.
I hear ya... I just don't necessarily agree. I suppose they might both have 'easily identifiable sounds', I don't know if that equates to 'using a familiar forumla', which I think Nickleback engages in spades.
Of course it equate that. How could someone establish such a well known musical niche without committing to a formulaic style. Reznor is as much of a sell out as Kroger.
Of course it equate that. How could someone establish such a well known musical niche without committing to a formulaic style. Reznor is as much of a sell out as Kroger.
I guess I'm not as educated about music, I'm not quite sure what a 'musical niche' is. Whatever it is, it sounds like you have to 'have a formula' to occupy one. Out of curiosity, What are some other examples of this happening for frame of reference?
Meh, they found a sound that works for them and they just repeat it over and over. Like Nickelback, but different.
As was pointed out earlier, anyone who thinks NIN has one sound obviously hasn't listened to them. The Fragile was a noticeable change from Downward Spiral and With Teeth was a total departure.
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I hurt myself today by listening to NIN. Seriously, the only people who listen to this drivel probably don't even know the difference between 12 and 13. Just ######s who won't even make the cut on Jersey Shore.
Jane you ignorant slut, I don't usually fall for these taunts, but I have multiple degrees and have authored papers that have been published in scientific journals (I'd give you the names, but I don't have time to explain what all the big words mean) and I own virtually every NIN album.
The true ######s are those that don't get that music is an art and all art is purely subjective. There's no right or smart music to like any more than there is a right or smart flavour of ice cream. To each their own.
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NIN, for the record, is just Trent Reznor surrounded by various people at various times.
It was awesome when it came out because the first album was done literally with a Commodore 64 and a Kurtzweil K2000 synth on 16 MIDI tracks. It was big, loud, gnarly...awesome.
Then as computers got better and gear became more accessible, people started figuring out how to "out-reznor Reznor."
Basically, the NIN sound became such a staple of the modern electronic sound that it became bland as more and more people hopped on board what was at the time a revolutionary approach to electronic music production.
Jane you ignorant slut, I don't usually fall for these taunts, but I have multiple degrees and have authored papers that have been published in scientific journals (I'd give you the names, but I don't have time to explain what all the big words mean) and I own virtually every NIN album.
Of course it equate that. How could someone establish such a well known musical niche without committing to a formulaic style. Reznor is as much of a sell out as Kroger.
Trent took a long time to forge his sound, and was considered a brilliant musician for a good length of time. He has every right enjoy the fruits of his youth and reward a fan-base that has given him so much. Kroger was about formulaic radio-rock since day 1. I don't think it is a good comparison
I'm not saying that NIN is beyond criticism, the lyrics can be laughable at times and some of it doesn't age well, but Trent Reznor is one of the great rock musicians of the 90's and shouldn't be written off by non-fans as untalented or irrelevant.
I guess I'm not as educated about music, I'm not quite sure what a 'musical niche' is. Whatever it is, it sounds like you have to 'have a formula' to occupy one. Out of curiosity, What are some other examples of this happening for frame of reference?
Nickelback's musical niche is that they write 'CJAY92' music. They exclusively use song writing techniques and structures that are proven to get radio-time. Nickelback is despised by the musical community for being very good at this. This illustrates the formula pretty well:
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I used to be bigoted, I used to be a snob, I used to hate ACDC, Toby Keith, and Nickelback.
But after literally 600+ gigs as a live sound engineer, sax player, or otherwise, music is music man.
I dare anyone in this thread to buy a ticket to a band they "hate", and then go sincerely watch the performance. After working with everything from seasoned vets to noobs, I can tell you one honest thing I have learned.
Genres were invented by record stores.
Music, performed live, is a spectacle. Wether the execution of one person on their guitar and singing (or not), up to the combination of hundreds of musicians combined; music is a spectacle. All of us like to be recognized by our peers for our talents, and music is no different. I would be willing to bet a large portion of the population "wishes they were more 'creative'" but for some weird, unexplainable, inexplicable reason they feel they cannot.
So lets go back to the beginning for Trent. Some guy with musical chops and the brain power to use this thing called a "computer" to make music "interfaced" with a "synthesizer" through an interconnectivity medium called "MIDI" (musical instrument digital interface).
WTF??? (...says 1988, when NIN was founded).
Trent Reznor, love him or hate him, was one of the pioneers of electronic music making. He forshadowed the day when someone like myself could boot up a computer and have access to soundbanks recorded with the finest instruments in the finest settings under the most pristine enviornments and buy it at Long and McQuade.
Anyone can make an album like "The Fragile" (by far his finest album and something dear to me...) now with a laptop, an interface, cubase, bfd, reason, midi controller (piano midi keyboard), and a couple of decent microphones, stands, cables, clips, headphones.
That is all in about $2500 bucks. And you don't need all the pieces at once to get playing.
Trent Reznor realized that before any of us knew really what a computer was, and used it to make music that in and of itself was of high calibre, but demonstrated a way for an entire generation of musicians that other wise would not of had the chance to realize their musical ideas in medium to let go of many standardized conventions in the name of realization through the full exploitation of the tools at hand. In this case, a "computer".
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This is a strange thread. Can I start a billion new threads about all the bands I don't like?
NIN are not up there with my favourite acts, but they do have some great work. The Fragile is a fantastic album. So is Downward Spiral. I think the more recent albums have become a little more repetitive, but most artists are guilty of that.
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