Killing for Jesus

[Hack&Lube]

Hey, at least it wasn't Isaiah 13:15-16

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."

[TheDragon]

Muslim Extremists already look at this as a holy war, all across the board. Nothing has changed.

They'll go on chanting "God is Great," in Arabic right before they pull the trigger on NATO forces, and NATO forces will continue to be painted as the bad guy in all of this because they have scopes with abbreviated mention to 'Biblical passages.'

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Muslim Extremists already look at this as a holy war, all across the board. Nothing has changed.

They'll go on chanting "God is Great," in Arabic right before they pull the trigger on NATO forces, and NATO forces will continue to be painted as the bad guy in all of this because they have scopes with abbreviated mention to Biblical passages.

Too bad we're not trying to win over the extremists.

[BlackAce]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am just wondering how many of the same people dismissing this would care if it were discovered that the Islamic jihadists or insurgents in those countries had their guns inscribed with Sura codes before using them.

Or if Canadian or American soldiers had their guns inscribed with Sura codes by a company without anyone knowing instead of Christian codes, would it matter then?

Naaaa... I would be mad, though if it was inscribed with Santa Claus's "Ho, Ho, Ho" or even the Easter Bunny's holy symbols of painted Easter eggs... Grrrrrrrrr!

[Hack&Lube]

You know how to fix this US Army? Take a little nail polish remover and scrub the tiny silkscreened marking! There! Problem fixed!

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am just wondering how many of the same people dismissing this would care if it were discovered that the Islamic jihadists or insurgents in those countries had their guns inscribed with Sura codes before using them.

Or if Canadian or American soldiers had their guns inscribed with Sura codes by a company without anyone knowing instead of Christian codes, would it matter then?

No.

The only thing out of the second scenario is that a company secretly doing that would need to be investigated for unsavory ties.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Too bad we're not trying to win over the extremists.

Too bad we'll never win over the hearts and minds of innocent people, either.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

No.

The only thing out of the second scenario is that a company secretly doing that would need to be investigated for unsavory ties.

Because Islam is the enemy. Gotcha.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am just wondering how many of the same people dismissing this would care if it were discovered that the Islamic jihadists or insurgents in those countries had their guns inscribed with Sura codes before using them.

Or if Canadian or American soldiers had their guns inscribed with Sura codes by a company without anyone knowing instead of Christian codes, would it matter then?

It's a blessing of sorts. Still wouldn't care. Would it if I were a soldier? No idea.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am just wondering how many of the same people dismissing this would care if it were discovered that the Islamic jihadists or insurgents in those countries had their guns inscribed with Sura codes before using them.

Well, since a lot of bombers scream God is great before they pull the pin, and a lot of insurgance carry the Koran with them into battle I would say its a non issue because nobody is making a stink about it.

Personally a gun with inscriptions or non inscriptiosn is basically a gun. If someone is shooting at me, I'm not thinking its an instrument of god, I'm thinking "holy f$ck I just got shot at I need new pants"

To me its a non issue.

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Or if Canadian or American soldiers had their guns inscribed with Sura codes by a company without anyone knowing instead of Christian codes, would it matter then?

Nope, as long as the weapon fires. You wouldn't believe the stuff that we wrote on our equipment when we were out in the field.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Too bad we'll never win over the hearts and minds of innocent people, either.

Better shoot them, too, while we're at it. But don't let them shout out God is Great. That can only be done through mass manufacturing on the weapons themselves, otherwise it's in bad taste.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Better shoot them, too, while we're at it. But don't let them shout out God is Great. That can only be done through mass manufacturing on the weapons themselves, otherwise it's in bad taste.

Who said anything about the shooting of innocent people? Are you just trying to pick a fight, here?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Because Islam is the enemy. Gotcha.

Don't put words in my mouth. I've already erased two posts responding to your nastiness with my nastiness. I'm not going to let this one slide.

You know damn well that's not what I meant.

If a gunmaker was secretly inscribing sites with Islamic references don't you think that maybe, just maybe, it would be a reasonable assumption that that company MIGHT have ties to some unsavory groups?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

Who said anything about the shooting of innocent people? Are you just trying to pick a fight, here?

Well if we're not going to win over anyone, what's the point? They all scream "God is Great."

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Don't put words in my mouth. I've already erased two posts responding to your nastiness with my nastiness. I'm not going to let this one slide.

You know damn well that's not what I meant.

If a gunmaker was secretly inscribing sites with Islamic references don't you think that maybe, just maybe, it would be a reasonable assumption that that company MIGHT have ties to some unsavory groups?

Why in the blue hell would that imply the company has ties to unsavory groups? What else could you possibly have meant by that comment? Does Trijicon have ties to the KKK?

Blarrgh *head explodes*

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why in the blue hell would that imply the company has ties to unsavory groups? What else could you possibly have meant by that comment?

Blarrgh *head explodes*

You've got to be kidding me.

[TheDragon]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Well if we're not going to win over anyone, what's the point? They all scream "God is Great."

You are seriously just trying to make us all feel guilty about this, aren't you?

Because someone has correlated the inscriptions inside a scope to be referenced to Biblical passages - suddenly this is all our fault.

My point was, that Muslim extremists have always looked at this as a war of Faith. Nothing has changed.

And considering most of the innocent people over there can't even read English, lead alone translate that to Biblical reference, I hardly see how this is going to change their perception of us, either, outside of giving the Taliban and Al Qaeda more propoganda to recruit with... and rest assured, this is only a drop in an ocean.

[burn_this_city]

Is this a big deal in the mainly secular west? No, not really. In the Islamic countries this will seem like a big deal. Those people are staunchly religious and this gives credence to the extremist message that they're infact fighting a holy war. This makes it easier for those groups to recruit weak minded Muslims who can be coaxed into believing they're fighting for God and not a political purpose. It would be best when fighting this war to make it as secular as possible from our standpoint. By inscribing biblical messages on tanks, guns, and bombs we blur the lines which is what they want.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

Why in the blue hell would that imply the company has ties to unsavory groups? What else could you possibly have meant by that comment? Does Trijicon have ties to the KKK?

Blarrgh *head explodes*

Remember...the scenario you asked about was ....Islamic messages in American weapons.....

Now you're going back to Christian messages.....IN AMERICAN WEAPONS.

You are so confused.

Also, I hardly think the KKK is comparable to Al Qaeda.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by TheDragon

You are seriously just trying to make us all feel guilty about this, aren't you?

Because someone has correlated the inscriptions inside a scope to be referenced to Biblical passages - suddenly this is all our fault.

My point was, that Muslim extremists have always looked at this as a war of Faith. Nothing has changed.

And considering most of the innocent people over there can't even read English, lead alone translate that to Biblical reference, I hardly see how this is going to change their perception of us, either, outside of giving the Taliban and Al Qaeda more propoganda to recruit with... and rest assured, this is only a drop in an ocean.

What have I been saying? I hardly care if you feel guilty about anything.

This doesn't concern the people that have already committed to their path, because they've already made heir choices, it's about the people who may see this as just another kick in the nuts in a very difficult and sensitive rebuilding process that we are in over there.

And to assume the great majority of the innocent people over there (that would include Iran and Pakistan, since a great many of the insurgents come from those places) can't read or write English is flat out false. A great number of insurgents and easily influenced youths of North Africa/North America, Iran, and Pakistan are decently educated and can understand English. This has come to the forefront most recently with the plane scare in the USA. Not everyone that decides to train over there is from over there.