Full body scanners for YYC

[Russic]

"First, it's fast — there's almost no line. That's because they're not looking for liquids, they're not looking at your shoes. They're not looking for everything they look for in North America. They just look at you," said Sela. "Even today with the heightened security in North America, they will check your items to death. But they will never look at you, at how you behave. They will never look into your eyes ... and that's how you figure out the bad guys from the good guys."

But that guy tried to light his shoelaces on fire that one time!!
This is exactly what bugs me about how North Americans deal with these attacks or attempted attacks. Try to blow up a plane with a wristwatch and suddenly nobody gets a wristwatch. Try to set off a bomb in your shoes and the obvious answer is to have everybody remove their footwear. The day somebody lights their laptop or ipod on fire is the day things are going to get extremely annoying to fly.

If a guy from Yemin gets through security without a passport and tries to set off a bomb, suddenly money gets pumped into locking down Yemin. If I'm a terrorist I'm laughing hysterically at the worlds largest super power putting financial resources into a country because some tool set his ass on fire. They want to cause panic, chaos and financial ruin ... it doesn't seem like their task is overly difficult.

Why not focus on the obvious security problem that occurred at the airport level? I don't think it works to just focus on the native country of the attacker when there are attackers present in many many countries.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

they open your luggage and carry-ons and take a swab to test for drugs and explosive residue. They could do they same to you. Rectal probe perhaps

seriously, however, the TSA has been experimenting with a device that blows a puff of air at you, then collects and analyzes the trace molecules. they could test everyone as they walk thru the metal detectors

They already have these in some airports in the USA too. I went through one in Denver, early 2009. From what I see of how the body scanners will work, it is almost identical to process with the puff of air.

You stand in the little cubicle, you either get the puff of air treatment or body scan treatment, very quick I would think for either.

As for the safety of the new full body scanners, from what I have read about their technology, I am not afraid.

There are two types of enhanced body scanners. One relies on millimetre wave technology, which uses extremely high frequency radio waves to produce images. There is no radiation, but the scanners can "see" through your clothes, revealing not just concealed weapons but breast implants, colostomy bags and any body piercings you might not want people to know about.

The image quality resembles a fuzzy photo negative. The software can be enhanced to obscure the face. The U.S. Transportation Security Administration (TSA) says the scanners it has tested produce 10,000 times less energy than a cellphone transmission.
The other enhanced body scanner uses a technology known as "backscatter." Low-level X-rays produce the same kind of "see-through" images that millimetre wave technology produces. Backscatter images resemble a chalk etching. Again, the technology can be adapted to obscure faces.

The TSA says you will be exposed to as much radiation undergoing a backscatter body scan as you would during two minutes of your flight. The high altitude of a cross-Canada flight exposes you to about 0.03 mSv of radiation. You'd need to fly across the country 100 times to equal the amount of radiation you are naturally exposed to in a year.
Manufacturers of both types of machines insist that images cannot be stored, broadcast or re-transmitted. After the person passes through the machine and the person has been cleared, the image is gone forever.

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2010/01/05/f-airport-scanners-radiation-risk.html

While some are concerned about cumulative radiation exposure from full-body scanners used for airport security, most experts say such fears are unfounded…… explained Dr. James Thrall, chairman of the American College of Radiology and chairman of radiology at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston……”the individual X-rays themselves are very low energy, and unlike the X-ray spectrum that we use in medicine, the backscatter X-rays don't really penetrate to the organs in the body," he told ABC News.

Thrall said a person would have to "take hundreds and hundreds of trips requiring screening to even reach what would be considered a negligible dose" of radiation.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/health/health-highlights-jan-6-2010-165198.html

[Matty81]

They have those scanners here in Kelowna already and as a frequent traveler they are extremely creepy - the people looking at the scanners should at least be of the same gender in my opinion which they are not. It's not right to have 40 year old guys looking at 16 year olds naked under any circumstances.

[Russic]

Originally Posted by Matty81

They have those scanners here in Kelowna already and as a frequent traveler they are extremely creepy - the people looking at the scanners should at least be of the same gender in my opinion which they are not. It's not right to have 40 year old guys looking at 16 year olds naked under any circumstances.

I agree. Is there just one scanner or can they have a male/female setup? They don't let a guy pat down a female, I'd say this should be the same thing.

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Originally Posted by Matty81

They have those scanners here in Kelowna already and as a frequent traveler they are extremely creepy - the people looking at the scanners should at least be of the same gender in my opinion which they are not. It's not right to have 40 year old guys looking at 16 year olds naked under any circumstances.

And how on Earth it is better to have the same 40 yr old guy physically patting down the same 16 yr olds? Touching vs looking at some distorted image? I know what I'd take.

It's ludicrous that in this age of technology that we're resorting back to stone age pat downs of people.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Matty81

They have those scanners here in Kelowna already and as a frequent traveler they are extremely creepy - the people looking at the scanners should at least be of the same gender in my opinion which they are not. It's not right to have 40 year old guys looking at 16 year olds naked under any circumstances.

For every 16 year old or good looking person, how many gravity-impaired geriatrics, fat slobs, and ugly people do you have to slog through? It's like people who think gynos have it great cause they get to look at vag all day....after looking at the privates of 250 pound heffers day after day, I bet the last thing on their mind is getting some.

There are a lot of easier ways to get your rocks off then being a security agent at the airport.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by Table 5

There are a lot of easier ways to get your rocks off then being a security agent at the airport.

Until they leave shift with a USB drive full of images..........

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Until they leave shift with a USB drive full of images..........

Then they get to masturbate to fuzzy monotone-colored silhouettes of people with no faces. Hot stuff.

[Matty81]

Ya no pat down doesn't seem better either, and I don't think what the person looking at the image does with it is hugely relevant. Guys looking at kids with no clothes on just creeps me out whether they get their jollies out of it or not. Actually even my fiancee going through is kinda weird because it's not like Kelowna is a big city, you actually see these people around town afterwords.

[You Need a Thneed]

At the end of this decade, people will be flying either completely naked, or wearing only airline issued smocks.

At the end of next decade, people will fly completely naked, having been put into a medical coma, with an armed guard assigned to every individual. Every person will be in their own locked cubicle.

At the end of the decade after that, we won't need airplanes anymore. We'll teleport.

[return to the red]

Originally Posted by Nufy

Until they leave shift with a USB drive full of images..........

Didn't it say in one of the articles that the images are not saved and once the person has left the scanner the image is gone forever?

[Ironhorse]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

At the end of the decade after that, we won't need airplanes anymore. We'll teleport.

As good as that sounds, they'll probably figure out a way to eff that up too. The Taliban will find a way to hack the control systems or blow them up, and you'll arrive in Denver with missing limbs or something.

[Azure]

What has it been 9 years since 9/11?

Nice to see we haven't come one step farther.

[WilsonFourTwo]

Originally Posted by return to the red

Didn't it say in one of the articles that the images are not saved and once the person has left the scanner the image is gone forever?

Yup.....that's what they SAY.

The US Gov't (purely an example for argument's sake) also said that wiretapping without a warrant was illegal and they didn't do it. Of course they did it anyway, for National Security. It got embarrassing and annoying when they kept getting caught repeatedly and it became a real hassle....so they just changed the law. (Enter the Patriot Act)

Another (simpler) example. We need to institute income tax to pay for the war.....don't worry, it's temporary.

Today's assurances are tomorrow's abuses. That statement is as old as mankind, and pretty hard to deny.

[HOZ]

Did someone worry about Laptops being banned????

Don' worry! Just not allowed books and mags.
We need to prevent the terrorists from reading.


The measures, announced Dec. 28 by Transport Canada, permit Canadian passengers en route to the U.S. to carry on board “one or more” of 13 specified items. They include canes, cameras, laptop computers, musical instruments and “medical devices.” However, books and magazines are not included among the permitted items. The situation has left Carolyn Wood, executive director of the Association of Canadian Publishers, “speechless, really. We're used to governments fearing books for their content. But what is it here? Is it their explosive capability?”





Yes another "Make it look like you are doing something when you are not" file filler.

[mikey_the_redneck]

I don't know why they don't get it over with and put a guy on the plane with a damn gun..........

Enjoy flying naked everybody........

[HOZ]

[drewboy12]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I don't know why they don't get it over with and put a guy on the plane with a damn gun..........

Enjoy flying naked everybody........

They are called air marshals... Not every flight has them, yet many flights do, and yes the government looks into high risk flights. Here is a link to an old story about Canada's program.

http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...a-8e80a91b6e86

By having a person with a gun, and people knowing it, makes him an easy target. Thats why they are undercover and the program is so secret. Its easy for hell one large man, or two people to over take one person with a gun if you know where he is on a cramped plane.

[drewboy12]

Originally Posted by Azure

What has it been 9 years since 9/11?

Nice to see we haven't come one step farther.

I think that is somewhat unfair to say. All though I don't disagree with you. Lots has been attempted since 9/11, hence the liquid explosives. That could have been a deadly terrorist attack if it wasn't for the British MI6 doing a huge investigation into it and busting the guys.

People get smart and come up with new ideas all the time, no matter security measures. "the shoe bomber" for instance. Sure shoes have been checked, but before that who would have really considered a person with a bomb built into a shoe trying to blow up a plane. A person with a 7-up bottle filled with liquid explosive trying to blow up a plane. A person with liquid and powder explosive sawed into his underwear trying to blow up a plane.

Yes we know people want to blow up planes, or hijack planes. This is nothing new, not even since 9/11. People learn, and technologies advance allowing these terrorist to attempt, and sometimes succeed.

Security also has technology which makes it much harder for people to get away with doing things, but sometimes these terrorists slip threw the cracks, or their weapons are advanced more to get threw security.

There have been many more hijackings, bombings since well before 9/11. The first recorded aircraft hijack took place on February 21, 1931, in Arequipa, Peru.

Its a sad thought, but these types of things will always happen.

[Madman]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

this is an example of what it will reveal.

Or this:



And with simple Photoshop inversion - a fairly realistic image can be produced.
http://www.mobypicture.com/user/anth...a/view/5846726