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Old 11-26-2009, 08:45 AM   #41
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Wow Sliver ... I'm not sure what I find more bothersome about you: the fact that you've taken in animals knowing that you would probably give them away or the fact that you feel no remorse for it. Just because the cats end up in good homes does not mean the animal isn't impacted in a very negative way. What you are doing is quite inhumane and I really hope you reconsider the idea of maybe getting another animal.

If you aren't going to care for an animal for it's whole life what kind of message are you giving to your kid? I'm always curious when people who don't really like animals feel the need to get one for their kids because kids "should have a pet".
Why should I show remorse for doing the right thing? I know this is black and white for some of you guys, but for anybody else I'll give a little context - it'll at least show you where I'm coming from.


Cat #1
  • Purchased when I was 13/14
  • When I turned 18 I moved into a staff accomodation at a ski hill where pets weren't allowed. Instead of dumping my cat off at the SPCA (which is clearly what a lot of people do considering they are always at capacity), I traded the cat to my mom's friend for a brand new Hibatchi. She took care of that cat for another six or seven years before it died. She even nursed it through its own struggle with diabetes.
  • I don't think anybody would argue I did the wrong thing here. Therefore, I shouldn't have to show remorse.
  • In an odd coincidence, the Hibatchi died around the same time.
Cat #2
  • Bought this cat in university with my then-live-in girlfriend (now wife). We loved that thing, but as the years went on (the cat was about four) it started caterwauling at all times and getting pretty ornery. We figured it was lonely because at this point we were both putting in long hours at our post-UC jobs.
  • In the hopes of alleviating what we thought was loneliness in our cat, we bought cat #3.
  • Unfortunately, this only made matters worse. Cat #2 turned absolutely psycho. Caterwauling 24/7. She was also very vicious all of a sudden - if I was sleeping and moved my leg, she would jump on my leg, bite down as hard as she could and beat/scratch the crap out of me with her hind legs while her front claws were dug into my flesh.
  • If we locked her outside our room, non-stop caterwauling.
  • This went on for a few months. You couldn't even walk past her without her attacking you. Not in a playful kitty-cat way, either. This little demon was out for blood.
  • I emailed my friends the story, and asked if anybody wanted her. I had a taker and boom, problem solved. She is still kicking and I visit her whenever I go to my friend's house. She is also much happier there.
  • I have to admit, if nobody took this cat I would have had her put down. I know I'll get flamed for including this line, but I'm just trying to be honest. Thankfully it didn't come to that.
  • Am I to feel remorse for yet again finding a more suitable home?
Cat #3
  • If you're still reading this, you know that I bought cat #3 to help keep cat #2 company.
  • Cat #3 was a great little cat - a specialized breed and a real sweet personality.
  • Anyway, after about four years with this guy, we welcomed a baby into our lives. Unfortunately, our baby had super bad cholic and our lives turned to chaos.
  • Unavoidably, we started ignoring our cat and he became really sad. We weren't intentionally ignoring him, mind you, but we just did not have the energy to give to him. He's a needy cat (in a good way) in that he needs lots of hugs and snuggles. He likes to be carried everywhere, etc. He think he's a baby which is fun until you have a real baby and can't give him all the attention he's come to expect.
  • We kept him for a full year after having our baby and he never could get used to the new family dynamic. He was always nice to our real baby, but he still needed mass amounts of attention that we couldn't give.
  • Some friends of ours really liked him (actually, everybody liked him) and they offered their home to him. We talked about it and thought it may be best for him. We tried this out and he really came back to life living there. If it hadn't worked out we would have taken him back in a heartbeat, but he is still there and I always see great pics of him on facebook.
  • Again, you're right, no remorse. But hopefully you can see why.
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Molly the poorly housebroken and furniture chewing wiener dog that has given me a million reasons to unload her, which I could never fathom to do and break the commitment I made to when I adopted her...... greatly disapproves of you.
I would not stand for any animal urinating/crapping in my house. That's disgusting and unclean. It's seriously where I draw the line.

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Old 11-26-2009, 08:48 AM   #42
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Thanks for the comments people
The little guy is part of the house hold here. However, it is troubling and I have to reevaluate my lifestyle due to this since I'm a frequent traveller and often away from the apartment. Fortunately, my neighbour is awesome and has taken care of him and has experience with diabetic cats.
I took over ownership of him after my former roommate had to give him up due to family reasons. He has certainly grown on me this past year. I still ensure he gets the best care in the mean time. I'm just freaked out right now on the added responsibility and extra financial contribution needed
That's a tough deal, Lchoy. Lucky to have such a great neighbour that is willing to help out like that. Hopefully the added responsibility will just get incorporated into your routine and you won't even notice after a while.

How much are the meds going to cost/month? Hopefully it's not too bad.

One other thing - my apologies for the sidebar thread within your thread. I'm glad to see a lot of people showing concern for you and your cat. Hope it all works out for you.
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Sliver.. it would have come off far better if you'd explained yourself like that instead of nonchalantly commenting that you'd traded cats for stuff.
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Old 11-26-2009, 09:56 AM   #44
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Sliver.. it would have come off far better if you'd explained yourself like that instead of nonchalantly commenting that you'd traded cats for stuff.
Agreed.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:15 PM   #45
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Sliver.. it would have come off far better if you'd explained yourself like that instead of nonchalantly commenting that you'd traded cats for stuff.
If you say so. I think he's just trying to rationalize his behavior to make himself look better. It's a pretty long way from "I like kittens, but I don't like cats. What can I say" to his 'I had no choice'-like tale of woe.
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Old 11-26-2009, 01:24 PM   #46
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If you say so. I think he's just trying to rationalize his behavior to make himself look better. It's a pretty long way from "I like kittens, but I don't like cats. What can I say" to his 'I had no choice'-like tale of woe.
Oh really? This is a tale of woe?

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I have to admit, if nobody took this cat I would have had her put down...
Does the above statement make me look better? Do you really think that's what my post set out to do - make myself look good? Pu-lease. I fully admitted if I couldn't have found anybody to take cat #2 I would have had it put down.

I just told the full story since nobody wanted to take this at face value:

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...it's not like I don't find good homes for my cats so I really don't see what the problem is...
May I suggest a link for you to visit that may be of help with your problem? I sincerely don't mean it as an insult, but it could be a good resource for you and the trouble you seem to have with reading comprehension.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:13 PM   #47
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My reading comprehension level is quite adaquate. Thank you for your "kind" concern.

Whatever get's you through the night man. I think you just realize how bad your initial words made you look so you want to try and add some (False?) context to make you look less bad.

You like kittens, you don't like cats, you traded one for a BBQ and just gave away the others. Those were your initial words and they're a far cry from "I had to move to a place that didn't allow them", "I had it attacking me", and "I couldn't give it the attention it needed".

But like I said whatever gets you through the night.
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Old 11-26-2009, 02:22 PM   #48
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My reading comprehension level is quite adaquate. Thank you for your "kind" concern.

Whatever get's you through the night man. I think you just realize how bad your initial words made you look so you want to try and add some (False?) context to make you look less bad.

You like kittens, you don't like cats, you traded one for a BBQ and just gave away the others. Those were your initial words and they're a far cry from "I had to move to a place that didn't allow them", "I had it attacking me", and "I couldn't give it the attention it needed".

But like I said whatever gets you through the night.
Hmmmm, I'm still picking up a distinct lack of comprehension coming from you.

I gave the short story, got flamed, so I gave the full story with more context. Why you think I would lie I have no idea. The reason I question your ability to comprehend what you read is because you're acting as though I haven't provided the additional context in the long post that started page 3 of this thread. You continue to point back to the initial one or two line posts I gave yesterday, before I realized people would care one way or another what I did with my cats.

My response was more to Russic than anything, because he was seeing it as a black-and-white issue; that is, you don't give away pets. I think I have showed that it isn't always a bad thing to give away pets, particularly if you are responsible about finding them a good home like I have been.

Now a question for you - what part of my story exactly do you doubt the validity of? I'm curious to know what tipped you off that I'm a liar.
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I gave the short story, got flamed, so I gave the full story with more context. Why you think I would lie I have no idea.
To make yourself look better (or less bad) would be the motive.



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I saw those comments, I believe I mentioned them earlier, just because I don't fully believe your words doesn't mean that I don't comprehend them.

Like I said the additional context is at odds with your initial comment. "What can I say, I like kitten's but I don't like cat's" isn't consistent with your context. The initial words are those of a person (and I've met far too many of them) that basically view a pet as if it were a potted plant, a wall-hanging, or a videogame system... something to be cherished while it's at it's newest and then easily discarded when it's lost it's initial charms or something newer comes along. If you had said something along the lines of "I like cats but sometimes find them too difficult to care for" I'd have no problem with the later context since that would be consistent with the initial statement.

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I don't understand why some cat/dog owners just leave food out for pets. They should be fed once or at the max twice daily.
dogs i can understand, but i grew up having cats and all of ours always had food and water left out and none of them were fat or had any health issues. dogs will gorge themselves on whatever they can find, but most cats i've seen will only eat when they're hungry (unless they're always fed that moist cat food from a can stuff, which i've never given my cats)
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:12 PM   #51
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To make yourself look better (or less bad) would be the motive.
Well maybe you've never seen me on here before. I haven't seen you so it's certainly possible. You are the first person to accuse me of pandering to the tastes of the CP OT consensus, though. If you're interested, feel free to see some of my posts in this thread. Very much at odds with the majority.

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I saw those comments, I believe I mentioned them earlier, just because I don't fully believe your words doesn't mean that I don't comprehend them.

Like I said the additional context is at odds with your initial comment. "What can I say, I like kitten's but I don't like cat's" isn't consistent with your context. The initial words are those of a person (and I've met far too many of them) that basically view a pet as if it were a potted plant, a wall-hanging, or a videogame system... something to be cherished while it's at it's newest and then easily discarded when it's lost it's initial charms or something newer comes along. If you had said something along the lines of "I like cats but sometimes find them too difficult to care for" I'd have no problem with the later context since that would be consistent with the initial statement.
Yes well back to my initial point about your lack of reading comprehension, I've already conceded - in no uncertain terms, mind you - that I should have explained myself better. Here I'll post that conversation for you:

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Agreed.
That being said, I do like kittens better than cats. Who doesn't?
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Old 11-26-2009, 03:46 PM   #52
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Yes well back to my initial point about your lack of reading comprehension
*Sigh*

Fine, if you really need to try and claim I somehow poorly comprehend the written word (rather then you just being a poor communicator of it) then go ahead. Just promise that you won't try to get any more furry friends. They'll be better off for it.
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*Sigh*

Fine, if you really need to try and claim I somehow poorly comprehend the written word (rather then you just being a poor communicator of it) then go ahead. Just promise that you won't try to get any more furry friends. They'll be better off for it.
I highly doubt I'll get another pet.
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*bump*
I was trying to find the other pet thread

It turns out my cat's diabetes developed due to cancer in his liver.
He stopped eating this weekend while I was away and the vet made the diagnosis today when I brought him in. His liver function was well off the charts.
It was really sudden turn of events as he was perfectly fine a week ago and his blood sugars were really well controlled
I said good bye to him and he was put to sleep. The vet was really good, gave him an injection to put him to sleep, and waited until I left the room before giving him the OD dose

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Sorry to hear that. It is tough letting a pet go.

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The cruel thing about it is that it's ~$90 for euthanisia, but $140 for the process with the owner (me) present
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The cruel thing about it is that it's ~$90 for euthanisia, but $140 for the process with the owner (me) present
Sorry to hear of your loss . . . . . and get a new vet. That's ridiculous.

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