The only popular religion I can think of that disallows usury is Islam. But everybody hated the Jews. Even the Egyptians.
Now that may be true, but historically Roman Catholics could not lend money and charge interest on the loans. Which before the Protestant reformation meant no Christians in charge of banks etc...
Now that may be true, but historically Roman Catholics could not lend money and charge interest on the loans. Which before the Protestant reformation meant no Christians in charge of banks etc...
Well, they had "banks" in the sense of a place where fiat money was stored. I'm sure financing did occur - just not with interest.
Well, they had "banks" in the sense of a place where fiat money was stored. I'm sure financing did occur - just not with interest.
Good luck trying to get someone to lend you large amounts of money without interest. To be honest, I don't think it would have been such a big deal in the serf system though. The vast majority of people would have no reason to get a loan sicne there was zero possibility of ever owning anything.
This is complete garbage. I can appreciate how some of the Jewish people would like to take it in stride and turn the other cheek, but this stuff shouldn't be happening. I hope they catch the people and they get punished as much as the law allows.
We can't get into the habit of playing it off like it's nothing.
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This happened in the same neighbourhood about 4 years ago IIRC. The odd thing about these 2 seperate instances, is Both times some of the swastikkas were reversed.
Pretty sad when you are so stupid, you can't even paint your symbol of hate correctly!
Also, this makes me suspect both were done by the same Tard(s).
If there's one thing I hate more than racists, it's dyslexic racists.
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He posts in a forum that...Iginla, Dawes and Bourque...dont fit the stereotypical black athlete.
well they don't..."stereotypical black athlete", to have a stereotype there has to be criteria to fit, correct? he is probably basing this on the fact that hardly anything is said about hockey players, in the media or otherwise. Not saying it's right either way, but I can see how he justifies it to himself
I love attitudes like this. Good job, man. No sense in getting pissed off about something that isn't directly aimed at you, and that you can't really do anything about. Sometimes the best response is nothing at all. If the Jewish community were to get in the news and make a big stink about this, it'd probably lead to some other loser wannabes pulling a similar BS stunt.
A response of "meh, like we haven't been murdered by the millions before" does more to belittle them than any criminal charges ever would. And since criminal charges would be nearly impossible to get a conviction on (unles there's video evidence), chances are that these ######s will not do it again, simply because it didn't get the reaction they were hoping for. And likely, in a few years, the culprits will look back and realize how stupid their crime was.
Feels weird to condone such a passive response, since I love to rage, but in this case, I do believe you're winning by not letting it be a big deal.
Unfortunatly, the Sun predictably went the other way on this, and ran a huge outrage story on the front and second pages, therefore giving the culprit more fame and making this brutal act more appealing to other cowards.
I knew this thread would turn this way. About jewish people I can say this. There is a big difference between being cheap, and knowing the value of a dollar. My great uncles family literally came here from poland in 1930's so poor, they had to eat in shifts because they only had 2 bowls and 2 spoons to share. They would go to the butcher shop, and take the organs the butcher would throw away, and make meals with them. Poverty we wouldn't understand. He ended up owning millions of dollars of real estate, and some businesses by the time he died in the late 90's and left a massive fortune behind. He left half of it to his wife and kids, and approximately 6 million went to local charities and seniors groups. Even when he was super rich, he never had fancy cars, or expensive clothes (I'll never forget his pristine '83 chrysler 5th avenue he drove until he quit driving in the 90's), because the poverty he came from, having more than one set of clothes was a luxury. But he was charitable beyond belief, and did everything in his power to help those that needed it.
Almost every one on the Jewish side of my family is this way. Yes most are very wealthy, but they don't flaunt it. They would give the clothes off of their back to any one that needed it without looking for something in return. I have one uncle that lives in a huge house in pump hill, and I will never forget the time I went over for passover seder, and he couldn't stop bragging about how he picked up a pair of his favorite dockers for 25 bucks at Sears, when this guy could go to Holt Renfrew and buy anything he wanted. It was pretty funny. Is that cheap? kinda, but a lot of the Jews from baby boomer generation remember poverty so bad, that they are almost programmed to appreciate the smaller things that we take foregranted. This lack of excess and consumption has made a lot of them wealthy by default. But never under estimate how the Jewish community will open their wallets for the needy and underpriveledged, they are exceptionally genorous people.
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Do the Aryan Guard have a significant presence in Calgary (beyond that parade or whatever they had)?
They are larger in the city than many would think (unfortunately).
I agree it's not something to get blown out of proportion, and there shouldn't be any talk or vengence of course, that's just what people like this want - to start something. To be taken seriously when they are just a big joke.
But it never hurts to be vigilant and speak up against it when you get the chance. If we let racism pervade our culture it becomes a lot harder to get rid of when it DOES become a problem.
They are larger in the city than many would think (unfortunately).
I agree it's not something to get blown out of proportion, and there shouldn't be any talk or vengence of course, that's just what people like this want - to start something. To be taken seriously when they are just a big joke.
But it never hurts to be vigilant and speak up against it when you get the chance. If we let racism pervade our culture it becomes a lot harder to get rid of when it DOES become a problem.
I tend to agree. Vigilance never hurts, but the response should be in proportion to the danger lest the message grow tired.
Things like this incident aren't much to get riled up about, mostly because they're simply not suggestive of anything particularly sinister or dangerous. They're just stupid, offensive mischief.
Marches through downtown on the other hand are something more than that, and are good cause for counteraction. Failure to speak up when hateful ideas become the basis for organized action is, to some extent, a means of condoning those actions and the underlying hate. If these prats are getting a foothold in Calgary, best to discredit them as clearly and loudly as possible, as soon as possible.
To be honest, I don't think it would have been such a big deal in the serf system though. The vast majority of people would have no reason to get a loan since there was zero possibility of ever owning anything.
In those days the people who needed loans were the barons & kings to pay soldiers. Sure, kings could tax, but that could cost you allies. As a king, your soldiers want to be paid, borrow cash from Jews. Find you can't pay them back (regardless of the interest), then just kick them out of your country (happened a lot).
Historically Jews couldn't own property and thrived in "cash" businesses - tailors, cobblers, merchants. This also allowed Jews to keep their wealth liquid and transferable (hence lots of Jews in the diamond industry) for when they got kicked out of countries.
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It's a little more complicated then "Jews are better."
If memory serves, it was considered wrong to loan money (can't remember why, religion I suppose) so in many communities the Jews would run the banks. Banks make money, and people hate banks, so people started to hate Jews for being rich and hoarding money (which is what banks do).
Kinda lousy recap, maybe someone else can correct or expand on this.
Don't forget that that was usually all they were permitted to do.
My great uncles family literally came here from poland in 1930's so poor, they had to eat in shifts because they only had 2 bowls and 2 spoons to share.
Crap, that sounds like my college years, ha.
You make many good points, the older generation still remembers a lot of the hardships they had to go through, and thus, values the battle necessary to even earn a single dollar. I know several families like this, and many of the heads of household are very down to earth, hard working people.
The younger jewish princesses (in NY, we call them JAPS) who get everything given to them and act like a bunch of spoiled brats on the other hand......it's a real shame they didn't learn any life lessons from their parents.
They are larger in the city than many would think (unfortunately).
I agree it's not something to get blown out of proportion, and there shouldn't be any talk or vengence of course, that's just what people like this want - to start something. To be taken seriously when they are just a big joke.
But it never hurts to be vigilant and speak up against it when you get the chance. If we let racism pervade our culture it becomes a lot harder to get rid of when it DOES become a problem.
All that will be done is this: Extra security for a month, which will be taken away when people forget about this.
To tell you the truth, that's all that can be done. As long as these remain relatively isolated incidents you are never going to catch people red handed.
You can't go the AG headquarters and randomly bust people up or make some kind of pre-emptive strike either. Like other posters have mentioned a serious draw back to a free society is people with different ideas than you. Until the AG start making direct threats of violence they are protected by civil rights.
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About 3 years ago, some ######s went around my neighborhood spray painting backwards swastikas on a few roads.
The incident bugged me for a couple of days, until I went and painted over the symbols with some spray paint.
It hasn't happened since, so my guess was stupid kids, not some organized group that was behind it.
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