11-05-2009, 11:27 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
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Originally Posted by Hack&Lube
I heard it turned out they didn't exist and it was the one guy only...who was supposed to have been killed but now he's alive and in hospital.
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Hmm. Well, I am glad that for once the coward behind an attack like this wasn't killed. This guy needs to pay for this bigtime, and I hope the justice system doesn't give him any leeway on an insanity plea.
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11-05-2009, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Hmm. Well, I am glad that for once the coward behind an attack like this wasn't killed. This guy needs to pay for this bigtime, and I hope the justice system doesn't give him any leeway on an insanity plea.
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Maybe they can keep Gitmo open for a little while longer. Scumbags like that deserve nothing less.
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11-06-2009, 12:00 AM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Our thoughts and prayers to the soldiers and families; regardless of the situation innocent blood was spilled and the victims now have to begin the painful process of figuring out why this happened.
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11-06-2009, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Hmm. Well, I am glad that for once the coward behind an attack like this wasn't killed. This guy needs to pay for this bigtime, and I hope the justice system doesn't give him any leeway on an insanity plea.
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Insanity pleas are not often attempted, despite what many believe (it always seems to be the first thing someone jumps to when a bizarre crime occurs). When insanity pleas are offered as a defence, they are upheld in a low percentage of cases (can't remember the numbers). So, if it is eventually found that this man was psychotic while committing the murders, he should be found not criminally responsible, but it is not likely due to the difficulty in successfully presenting an insanity defence.
Don't think that someone who is found not criminally responsible gets off with a light slap on the wrist either. Mental hospitals for the criminally insane are scary places, and even after spending up to the maximum time in one of these places, someone who commits a highly publicized act such as this will most likely end up in an asylum and not on the streets.
Despite beliefs held by many people, "getting off" on an insanity plea just means the person goes to a different hell, not prison.
But it is far too soon to jump to this topic; and, I apologize for my long winded post -- you're comments in this thread have been bothersome and poorly thought out...and they frustrated me...I'm not trying a personal attack here, just please, save the COD chatter for a different thread.
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11-06-2009, 12:20 AM
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This guy (and I admit I know very little about him, only what is on the news) was apparently a loyal and trusted member of the military. It looks like he just went crazy.
If his name was Macgregor or Juarez, would we be talking about how Christianity was the possible or even likely motivator?
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11-06-2009, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
This guy (and I admit I know very little about him, only what is on the news) was apparently a loyal and trusted member of the military. It looks like he just went crazy.
If his name was Macgregor or Juarez, would we be talking about how Christianity was the possible or even likely motivator?
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No...but there are other circumstances here.
They had one of his co-workers on last night (ret) who relayed the story that they would be in conferences and whatnot, and the guy would openly state that he thought Muslims should rise up against their aggressors everywhere it happens. One particular instance was when one of the whackos walked into a military recruiting center in Little Rock last year and opened fire. This guy was also investigated just 6 months ago for making some sort of postings on the web about suicide bombings, but could not be directly linked...according to a couple different media reports last night.
Its not a big reach when someone is a Muslim and attacks military personel, to suspect it was radically motivated. It may turn out not to be the case this time, but it certainly has to be explored.
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11-06-2009, 07:09 AM
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Fearmongerer
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Ugh.
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Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" before opening fire, the base commander said Friday.
Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said officials had not yet confirmed that the suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday, which left 30 people wounded, including the gunman.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/..._hood_shooting
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11-06-2009, 08:28 AM
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CP Pontiff
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Good background profile of the killer in the Washington Post this morning.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews
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11-06-2009, 08:40 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this type of act in the military punishable by death? As much as this looney needs to pay the price, making him a martyr is almost worse.
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11-06-2009, 09:15 AM
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Because he unfortunately turned out to be Muslim, its doubtful they will seek the death penalty - or they will convict and allow it to drag on for years in appeals until its forgotten about.
Kind of amazing they didnt kill shot him on site.
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11-06-2009, 09:40 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
Because he unfortunately turned out to be Muslim, its doubtful they will seek the death penalty - or they will convict and allow it to drag on for years in appeals until its forgotten about.
Kind of amazing they didnt kill shot him on site.
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I'm not sure about US Military law and the right to appeal sentences. It could be similar to US civilian law, but I'm totally in the dark. I'll send a call to my JAG friend and get his thoughts.
Even still, in Texas, they push through inmates on death row a little quicker than here in California.
Somehow the military needs to find a way to classify him as a non-military combatant...
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11-06-2009, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by mykalberta
Because he unfortunately turned out to be Muslim, its doubtful they will seek the death penalty - or they will convict and allow it to drag on for years in appeals until its forgotten about.
Kind of amazing they didnt kill shot him on site.
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Turned out to be Muslim? He probably shot up the base BECAUSE he was Muslim.
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11-06-2009, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
This guy (and I admit I know very little about him, only what is on the news) was apparently a loyal and trusted member of the military. It looks like he just went crazy.
If his name was Macgregor or Juarez, would we be talking about how Christianity was the possible or even likely motivator?
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The US isn't at war with the Vatican, and Christians didn't fly planes on 9/11.
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11-06-2009, 09:58 AM
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Not the one...
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Originally Posted by peter12
Turned out to be Muslim? He probably shot up the base BECAUSE he was Muslim.
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11-06-2009, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Byrns
The US isn't at war with the Vatican, and Christians didn't fly planes on 9/11.
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The US isn't at war with Qom or Mecca, either.
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11-06-2009, 10:15 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by peter12
Turned out to be Muslim? He probably shot up the base BECAUSE he was Muslim.
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The military is 99% politics, 1% a$$ kicking.
There is no way he gets executed with a Democratic president in office. At least not while he is in office - especially when the Presidents game plan is to try to foster better relations with Muslim countries. Its obvious the military failed to get rid of this guy, instead he was promoted to Major. Likely because of his language skills I am thinking.
Its unfortunate he survived arrest as this is going to be extremely bad press for the US Military, US government, US President for along time to come. Had he been kill shotted instead of wounded you get a couple months max of bad press then it goes away. Now you get the OJ court gong show.
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11-06-2009, 10:51 AM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Why the hell did he join the Army if he was so afraid to be deployed?
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11-06-2009, 10:55 AM
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Why the hell did he join the Army if he was so afraid to be deployed?
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To pay for school, perhaps?
Or when he did join up, he did not anticipate that he would be deployed against other Muslims?
The strange part of this is that I just don't see that they would send a psychiatrist into a battle situation. He would likely have been an office monkey treating soldiers on site, rather than back in Texas.
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11-06-2009, 12:39 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kelowna, B.C.
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My condolences to the families of the victims.
I just hope the investigation is thorough and not just a series of snap judgments.
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