Game 12: Bc lions at stampeders

[VANFLAMESFAN]

I personally don't understand how some of you are defending the Nik Lewis catch......just terrible. Reverse the situation and you're going nuts. No point goin back and forth on this one though. I see it one way, you see it another way.

[You Need a Thneed]

I think the Nik lewis catch was the right call in he end, because of the foot that came down first. Though I was thinking for a long time the the interception would stand according to the rules.

I was thinking the rules should be changed so that there couldn't be an interception after a didn't maintain possession after contact with the ground rule. Something just doesn't seem quite fair to me if it is allowed.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I personally don't understand how some of you are defending the Nik Lewis catch......just terrible. Reverse the situation and you're going nuts. No point goin back and forth on this one though. I see it one way, you see it another way.

It doesn't change the fact that BC couldn't move the ball in the second half.

Even if it was ruled an INT, BC still has the ball deep in their own territory and likely punts the ball back to Calgary at mid-field.

Hard to complain about the call when all the Lions did after that point was get a rouge.

[Sylvanfan]

If I had to say I was a fan of any CFL team it would probably be the Lions. But I think that catch Lewis made on the touchdown was a catch. He was dragging the toes in bounds when he got possession. Even the overturned fumble/interception, by CFL rules the player is down by contact and the ground caused him to lose the ball.

Lions offence is their achilles heel this year and the Stamps have owned them for 2 years now.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by JayP

It doesn't change the fact that BC couldn't move the ball in the second half.

Even if it was ruled an INT, BC still has the ball deep in their own territory and likely punts the ball back to Calgary at mid-field.

Hard to complain about the call when all the Lions did after that point was get a rouge.

If BC gets the INT...they have the ball on the 20....they don't....all of a sudden, it's first and goal from the five.....cgy scores the next play......it changed the game.....I can't defend how the lions played after that.....I said above the better team won the game, it's just unfortunate.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

If I had to say I was a fan of any CFL team it would probably be the Lions. But I think that catch Lewis made on the touchdown was a catch. He was dragging the toes in bounds when he got possession. Even the overturned fumble/interception, by CFL rules the player is down by contact and the ground caused him to lose the ball.

Lions offence is their achilles heel this year and the Stamps have owned them for 2 years now.

Don't forget the number of penalties they made. I think they had about 11-12 penalties and most of them are bad penalties. That Jojuan Armour late hit on Burris was a selfish and boneheaded penalty. That gave Calgary another first down and killed lots of minutes. The holding penalty on a special team wiped out a 44 yards return by the Lions. Those two penalties happenned late in the game. The ref could have called a pass interference on that Burris-Summers end zone pass.

[Smell My Finger]

Stamps now own the season record over Edmonhole and B.C in case of a tie breaker in the standings. Copeland was outstanding again!

[Sylvanfan]

The Lioins are better off playing well enough to finish 4th and take their chances with Hamilton in the playoffs anyways. The CFL is Montreal and a lot of other teams who aren't much different from each other. Than Toronto and Winnipeg.

[vicphoenix13]

If a game was officiated this poorly in the NFL, there would be some unemployed officials. Glenn Johnson and his crew better not be involved in the CFL playoffs.

[mike_2325]

Go Stamps!

[jammies]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

I think the Nik lewis catch was the right call in he end, because of the foot that came down first. Though I was thinking for a long time the the interception would stand according to the rules.

I'm sure that's what they based the decision on, but I can't agree, even if it did favour the Stamps. "Contact with the ground" is pretty obviously your BODY hitting the ground, not your foot. The intent of the rule is that if the ball is jarred loose by the ground, it's no catch. Does that even make sense in the context of your foot hitting the ground? I'd say no.

To me, the question is did Lewis secure the ball before he hit the ground so that he could be ruled down on contact, and on the replay it looks pretty clear to me that he didn't have control - in slow motion you can see the ball is just loosely cradled between hand and body, which is why it popped out so readily and bounced up so high. He did make a great play to even still have that one hand on it after getting hit while in the air, but at game speed it wasn't even a second between him pulling the ball towards his body and him hitting the ground with his elbow and having it bounce up into the BC defender's hands. Is that long enough to say he maintained possession? Maybe, but I don't think so.

Doesn't matter now, in the end BC scored 4 points in the whole second half and that was the game. The defence let Mallet run all over them, but when it counted, they either made a turnover happen or stopped the Lions. Good game by the defence and the offence did enough to win.

As an aside, love seeing Summers back. That one return was beautiful, and he didn't drop the freakin' ball, which was a refreshing change from Ryan.

-edit- And one more thing - if I was coaching special teams, I'd get my guys to go inside the 5 yard zone for no yards every time when it's kicked into the end zone. Let's see, no points but they have to start on the 15 yard line? Where do I sign up?

[troutman]

Originally Posted by jammies

I'm sure that's what they based the decision on, but I can't agree, even if it did favour the Stamps. "Contact with the ground" is pretty obviously your BODY hitting the ground, not your foot. The intent of the rule is that if the ball is jarred loose by the ground, it's no catch. Does that even make sense in the context of your foot hitting the ground? I'd say no.

Lewis went up in the air to catch the ball - he wasn't running - his first contact was with the ground was his foot, and he still had control of the ball. His second contact was his body hitting the ground. Play over. I think that's the CFL's explanation.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

If BC gets the INT...they have the ball on the 20....they don't....all of a sudden, it's first and goal from the five.....cgy scores the next play......it changed the game.....I can't defend how the lions played after that.....I said above the better team won the game, it's just unfortunate.

The refs missed an obvious pass interference call that probably cost the Stamps a touch-down. These things tend to balance out.

[Flickered Flame]

I find it amusing that the Lions and their fans are complaining about the play when earlier this year the Leos benefited from the worst call in CFL history vs the Als.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by troutman

The refs missed an obvious pass interference call that probably cost the Stamps a touch-down. These things tend to balance out.

That was the only one that didn't go our way. We were laughing in the stands and saying 'We will take it" as the refs were on our side bigtime. Literally the Stamps other than Joffrey did nothing till halftime at least. Burris was sad other than some good runs.

That runback turned it around as we were going to sleep. Was a beautiful night for a nap mind you. Defense was getting owned but thanks to a BC turnover only gave up a couple.

Then the defense wokeup in the 2nd half. The offense managed a drive and the refs chipped in with a call or two or three or four.

It was an win but very unimpressive one other than Joffrey was very good all game and so was the offensive line. But the rest of them played maybe a half.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by vicphoenix13

If a game was officiated this poorly in the NFL, there would be some unemployed officials. Glenn Johnson and his crew better not be involved in the CFL playoffs.

Yeah just like Ed Hochuli last season, right?

[cross16]

Originally Posted by Flickered Flame

I find it amusing that the Lions and their fans are complaining about the play when earlier this year the Leos benefited from the worst call in CFL history vs the Als.

Thats was my first reaction. Things like that tend to works itself out.

Even though I worked out for the Stamps, I too agree that I think it should have been ruled no catch. If its a catch based on the rules then IMO they should change them. he clearly did not maintain pocession all the way to the ground which is what it should be.

[Ziggy Lidstrom]

Favourable calls aside, this is rivalry taken a little too far:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...ball-stab.html

We were in M last night and were razzing these young BC punks who wouldn't shut up. Insult to injury, they were very insecure and kept responding to all the cat calls throughout the game. The ring leader left with 5 to go and his middle finger salute held up the whole time to our supportive section as he walked to the concourse. This was pretty tame since the home team won, but compared to the accompanying story it's down right pg.

Ps, 770 was saying that Wally was riding the officials all night and sometimes that type of attitude will have the opposite effect of the one initially desired.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by troutman

Lewis went up in the air to catch the ball - he wasn't running - his first contact was with the ground was his foot, and he still had control of the ball. His second contact was his body hitting the ground. Play over. I think that's the CFL's explanation.

As I said, I don't think a foot touching the ground is the kind of contact the rule is addressing. If a receiver stretches out for a ball, slams into the turf and loses it, does it count as a catch if his knee hits the ground an instant before the rest of his body does and forces the loss of possession? I've never seen it called that way - it's always been when the receiver contacted the ground in a meaningful way that actually might cause the ball to come loose. Further, do you think Lewis had control of the ball when his foot touched? I don't, and if he didn't, the first contact AFTER he had made the catch is the relevant one.

I can say with authority that if it had been Paris Jackson making that play, and the league had called it a catch, I probably would have been yelling at the tv and cursing CFL head office.

[Smell My Finger]

Lewis catch was a catch. Ball in hands, body hits ground. Ball still in hands, but what sealed it was the defender grabbed his thigh, as he was on his back to down the play.
One the defender grabbed his leg while Lewis is down, the play is dead.
Had the B.C defender not contacted him while on the ground it would have been just cause for a Fumble/Int.
But that didn't happen now did it.

Besides that play was in the 3rd quarter when it was 17-13. Final score was 27-18 with a quarter in a half left to play so what is B.C's excuses for the rest of the game. Weak.
Somewhere Montreal is saying how does that feel B.C you thieves.