new LIFE photos of Nazi Germany

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Seeing stuff like this having mass amounts of people falling head over heels for one political leader is scary... HMM sounds familar again...

No No No Obama is Satan not Hitler.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

No one is admiring anything, but to deny the truth of action; had he not attacked Russia we would likely be all under the Nazzi banner - so thankfully his ego got the best of him. Had his ego been tempered by by a a counterbalanced personality (of which he had none), he would have gone after oil in the ME and crushed England and North Africa, he then could have gone after Russia or made an uneasy peace with them and the US would have had to do the same without a beach head to invade from.

Or the US could have nuked the crap out of him? Although it probably wouldn't have been a popular decision.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I'm 100% german moved to the states in 89.

My whole family fought for the german army during the world wars.

I am not saying that what my fatherland did was right but you have to see it in the eyes of a german after the humilation that the allies put them thru after ww1.

Yeah, unless you were a part of post WW-1 life in Germany you can't understand the hard ship that the German people dealt with. The rest of the Western world got caught up with the euphoria of a post war boom and pushed that so far that it blew up and resulted in the great depression. I can see why the German people banded together to get behind something so strongly when the rest of the world had been against them for so long. I do think there was a pretty strong sense of horror among them when they realized how far things had gone in that wave of euphoria. Like any type of boom though it's hard to see where it's going when things seem to be going up so to speak.

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Or the US could have nuked the crap out of him? Although it probably wouldn't have been a popular decision.

Well they could have. Except for the lack of atomic bombs.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Our family has a childhood picture(about 1945) of my aunt and mother that is in colour. I think they said the photographer worked for Sears and took the picture at the farm. The dresses and their eyes were hand painted blue after the pictures were developed. It cost extra. Maybe that is what Hitler's photographer did.

I've got some old photos like the ones you describe. I think these Hitler ones are real colour photos and not just retouched.

CBC (I think) even aired some colour footage of WWII.

Re: all this "Hitler genius" stuff...

How are we defining "genius". Clearly there was something special about the guy.

Ugly, hateful little men of average intelligence don't make a serious run at taking over they world. They become lawyers and engineers.

[Bownesian]

There is German film footage in colour from the second year on the eastern front, shot for propaganda purposes. It was part of the World at War documentary series and shown in the making-of metadocumentary.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

Well they could have. Except for the lack of atomic bombs.

My comment was somewhat tongue in cheek, however I was obviously referring to post manhattan project time period. If the hypothetical scenario of Hitler taking all of Europe happened than the war between the US, Russia and them would have lasted longer to the point the US would have developed the atom bomb or it would have ended with Hitler controlling Europe and the US just saying screw it let him have it as long as he doesn't come over here (which he probably would have eventually).

[HOZ]

I look at those pictures and think....they need a few more flags.

[keratosis]

Originally Posted by HOZ

I look at those pictures and think....they need a few more flags.

And cowbells. Must have more.

[nik-]

lol nazi's are gay

[PIMking]

Is that a bayer pill company in that pic above?

[La Flames Fan]

Two things I get from these photos aside from the obvious:

1. The name Adolph has been destroyed forever.
2. The design of the flags, symbols, fonts, etc...are also ruined forever.

I remember when I was doing mock-ups for different FUDDYTV logos I though it would be a great idea to have four "F's" make the square in the middle of our current logo. Great idea....until about forty minutes later when I realized those four "F's" facing inward make the swastika.

[Jedi Ninja]

Here's some digitally enhanced documentary footage that blows the Life photos away:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgaryborn

Our family has a childhood picture(about 1945) of my aunt and mother that is in colour. I think they said the photographer worked for Sears and took the picture at the farm. The dresses and their eyes were hand painted blue after the pictures were developed. It cost extra. Maybe that is what Hitler's photographer did.

Yeah, colour photography was around but it was expensive. From wiki

The first color plate, Autochrome, invented by the French Lumière brothers, reached the market in 1907. It was based on a 'screen-plate' filter made of dyed dots of potato starch, and was the only color film on the market until German Agfa introduced the similar Agfacolor in 1932. In 1935, American Kodak introduced the first modern ('integrated tri-pack') color film, Kodachrome, based on three colored emulsions. This was followed in 1936 by Agfa's Agfacolor Neue. Unlike the Kodachrome tri-pack process, the color couplers in Agfacolor Neue were integral with the emulsion layers, which greatly simplified the film processing. Most modern color films, except Kodachrome, are based on the Agfacolor Neue technology. Instant color film was introduced by Polaroid in 1963.

When a sister got married in about 59, it was cheaper to have them hand painted than to take the pictures in colour. My school pictures were black and white until the 60s.

[arsenal]

Originally Posted by CrusaderPi

I don't buy this at all. A Sherman couldn't touch Panther. The allies were able to move forward because of their air superiority not because of armor. The Soviet T-71 would be a much better example.

I agree with you about the Germans building over complicated, expensive and heavy tanks though.

I was just talking about the ground war. The allies came up with tactics that would allow a column of Shermans to take out a Panzer, Leopard or Tiger tanks.
One on One, the allies would get destroyed. But, 5 or 6 vs one, the German tank would not be able to take them all out. Eventually one or two Shermans would know where the German tank was hiding, and attempt to get behind the German tank and hit it from behind.

As far as the air war, again the Germans went for a quality over quantity approach.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jedi Ninja

Here's some digitally enhanced documentary footage that blows the Life photos away:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyTBXzfQJ8

ugh, people just keep making these, and they're never funny.

[Royal Eagle]

The Treaty of Versailles and its humiliating provisions that required Germany to accept the sole responsibility of WW1 allowed Hitler and other right-wing demagogues to rise to power. His control of the masses, by using modern propaganda methods was effective and fascinating at the same time. He used the obvious failure of the fragile Weimar Republic to his advantage, to pose himself as a strong leader for Germany. The strong performance of German economy after the Great Depression certainly strengthned his image among the population.

Personally, I think France, who desperately wanted to get revenge for 1871, indirectly helped the dangerous emergence of one of the most brutal and worst demagogues of all time. Clemenceau vehemently wanted to see Germany being controlled economically, politically and militarly by Allied forces, as a way to reduce German influence and power in Europe. As a consequence of this, ultra-nationalism in Germany got a powerful boost and it led directly to WW2 and the abominations we all know.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by mykalberta

No one is admiring anything, but to deny the truth of action; had he not attacked Russia we would likely be all under the Nazzi banner - so thankfully his ego got the best of him.

I disagree completely. I don't think any nation can achieve success with the atrocities the Nazis committed. The blood on their hands would have got to them eventually. People do realize what they are doing, and it will eventually spell doom for them.
I don't think any dictatorship will ever survive for the same reasons. People need a will to live and prosper, that trait seems to go with countries that are successful.
Some of the nations around today that preach death will never last, same reason. Humans have a desire to live, a desire that is much greater than death. The methodology of suicide armies will never win for that reason. They may kill may innocent people and be hard to fight against, but they will never win.
I think it was Hawking that said that if aliens ever arrived on earth, we should not be scared, there is no need to be. The fact that they were able to evolve far enough that they could travel through space means they figured out how to be peaceful. In other words, you won't make it if you are anything like the Nazis.
Hitler was no genius, he was a lunatic. He was simply a loony who was very dangerous and was in a part of the world waiting for anyone to represent them. He just happened to fit the niche that they were somehow looking for.

[Playfair]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I'm 100% german moved to the states in 89.

My whole family fought for the german army during the world wars.

I am not saying that what my fatherland did was right but you have to see it in the eyes of a german after the humilation that the allies put them thru after ww1.

Hitler (not german) gave the german people hope. (hmmm reminds me of someone) but he gave them thoughts that made a whole country stand up for themselfs. Now I am no way saying that his ideals were right. I dont think his ideas about killing jews were a good thing. ( I dont think people should be killed by any sort of religion) Hell he lost argubaly the smartest person in Einstein and that could of changed the way of the war.

My great grandparent to great uncles were still alive up until a couple of years ago. I remember I talked to my great grandpa and he told me that they had no choice to fight. They either fought or were shot on sight by the nazi's. Gotta remember not every German was a National socialist.

He also told me basically that by the time he was in the war they knew they were not going to win and the only thing he tried to do was stay alive.

Seeing stuff like this having mass amounts of people falling head over heels for one political leader is scary... HMM sounds familar again...

I'm am proud to be German. Always have always will. German people have done great things in the world (beating napolean) and they have done some seriously bad things. (holocuaust) Yes there are Dark things in german history but it is important to know them.

I have been to Berlin once in my life and I never want to go back. partially because of the wall and all the bad history and two I'm bavarian so we are better than the rest of the germans lol.

I havent been back home in a long time but I plan on going back sometime in the next 5 years. I have alot of family in Munich and want to see them.

But going to germany has to be simular to me living in tuscaloosa alabama now with the loss of the cival war. all the history down here. Hell my fiances dad is a dean at the university and his building was torched by the yanks during the war. Two Buildings were not torched here in tuscaloosa at the university one being a mental health area where the buildings still stand and the only building the university built for military purposes during the war. The presidents mansion was torched but the presidents wife put the fire out before it got out of hand.

I love history and basic history involves war. always has always will.

War isn't something anyone really wants to see but is a evil part of humans that come out.

I respect that. I have a German friend who sent me a book called The Wave. In California a teacher, Ron Jones, tried to teach his students about fascism by encouraging them to form a classroom Hitler Youth. They got caught in the same type of thing.

It is like North Korea in that it is a cult of personality. The people rallied around Hitler and the ideals of the Nazis and it overtook their sense of right and wrong.

I have no ill will towards the German people. They have to live with that history for the rest of their lives, just like we do with the Native people of Canada, as a very poor comparison.

I know a man who was a pilot in WWII. He is an amazing guy, but he didn't have a choice, it wasn't because he agreed with the Nazis.

Basically what I am trying to say is that is a very fair statement, and I highly respect you for sharing your point of view and I thank you.

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Here is a video on The Wave:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...16544338309782

197 colour pictures of the Nazis, some include the photos in the OP:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12588702/N...m-LIFE-archive

Nazi Germany 1939
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMIzpkbChE

[BuzzardsWife]

i posted the original thread on these pics..i think they are only releasing so many at a time? i think that's what the original post said..eerie photos, thanks for posting them..what is really weird to me personally is, my favorite great uncle, long ago passed away now, was born in Austria, and he looked exactly like Hitler. He was such a wonderful man though