F-ing Drunk Drivers! They need to be charged with murder.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well I think when most people are sober, they logically think to themselves that they should not and would not drink and drive. However, when intoxicated, that same person can suddenly justify or convince themselves that they can drive home and get there safely. THAT is the problem.

So they have no self control? If they can't be responsible enough to make an easy decision then they shouldn't have their license to start with.

People who drink and drive are pathetic as they come. I will say it to anyones face that does drive drunk. I know I can out my friends when the decide it is a good idea.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by HOOT

So they have no self control? If they can't be responsible enough to make an easy decision then they shouldn't have their license to start with.

People who drink and drive are pathetic as they come. I will say it to anyones face that does drive drunk. I know I can out my friends when the decide it is a good idea.

The alcohol impairs their sense of self control. Isn't that obvious?

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Look Gozer (and the rest of you), I thought it was obvious that I was being cynical. I believe that we as a society are not making a near good enough effort to rid us of drinking and driving. That is all.

Fining people, putting them in jail for a few months, suspending their lisense etc. are not solutions to the problem of drinking and driving. Nobody else sees that?

If enough people wanted that changed, it would be changed. As it is, I happen to think some DUI laws (like revoking a liscense for refusing to co-operate) over-steps the bounds of citizen's rights.
(I will not debate this in this thread, if you wish to debate it, start another)

Suggesting that lawyers and doctors encourage drunk driving as some kind of lucrative cash-cow is moronic.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

The alcohol impairs their sense of self control. Isn't that obvious?

Obvisious. Yes.
Make it right. No.

I don't care what excuse you or anyone can come up with it ain't good enough.

[DOK]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Is that like the only safe sex is no sex?

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How does that relate at all??? Your saying people have an inherent need and necessity to drink and drive, so we should be lenient because of that inherent nature?

[burn_this_city]

Suspensions wont do jack sh*t.

Think about it. If the person doesnt give a f enough to not get behind the wheel when he's hammered. Whats to say that he'll abide by a driving suspension. Unfortunately theres a ######bag demographic that doesnt care what punishment society throws at them.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Suspensions wont do jack sh*t.

Think about it. If the person doesnt give a f enough to not get behind the wheel when he's hammered. Whats to say that he'll abide by a driving suspension. Unfortunately theres a ######bag demographic that doesnt care what punishment society throws at them.

Its true. There is a guy here at work who just recently was convicted of drunk driving (his second conviction by the way) and he received a license suspension.
He still drives his car back and forth to work every day. Not sure if he uses his car at other times but he sure isn't taking the bus to work.

[Ruttiger]

nm - wrong thread

[Peanut]

I hate hearing this kind of news. Condolences to Bertuzzied and anyone else that knew the victim.

[Methanolic]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

My friend's cousin was killed last nite after some f-ing drunk driver ran a red light and smashed into him on sarcee and Richmond Road. He leaves behind his wife and 3 little kids.

Tragic and absolutely heart breaking.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Obvisious. Yes.
Make it right. No.

I don't care what excuse you or anyone can come up with it ain't good enough.

I think we are at the point now where we shouldn't be looking at excuses, but looking at the causes of drinking and driving. What makes a person think that they are OK to drive?

It was mentioned in the thread earlier- who here knows exactly what .08 feels like? Or who has done a "Mythbusters" style of controlled road testing to show them how much their driving ability is impaired at .03, at .06, and at .08? I would say that the number is very low; probably below 1%.

But how many of us drive cars, and out of those people, how many of us drink? I would say that 75% of us engage in both activities; obviously most of us not at the same time.

So you have most of the adult population who drive, and who also enjoy a drink, but nobody makes us see how bad the two are combined. Why isn't that part of driver training? Pilots are trained and forced to experience hypoxia so they know how to recognize it, why not controlled tests where people are given controlled amounts of alcohol and shown how their reaction times and motor skills have been compromised? That way you create a new generation of drivers who know the dangers, are less likely to become drunk drivers, and get them off the road that way?

[MRCboicgy]

If you drink and drive you are a stupid person. No debate.

If you hurt, or god forbid, kill someone else while doing it, you are a criminal and not worth my time. "It was a mistake" is not a valid excuse here because, well see above. This is the one thing in life I refuse to debate or listen to other side.

/rant of guy who has lost a couple friends/relatives/etc in his short life due to others being drunk/high.

[DOK]

I think, too, you can bring it all back to the respect of the actual event of driving. People don't really realize how much power and control they have when they get behind a wheel sober, let alone drunk. My grand dad used to say that it was complete insanity that man thinks they can put to tanks on the road and expect people to not run into each other because of a painted line on the road separating them.

It's common place for people to drive now, we're used to it and probably take it for granted.

[chris_yk]

To add to all these stories about drinking and driving deaths, just this morning a 17 year old died here in Yellowknife when the (stolen) car she was driving rolled..

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story...-accident.html

Not much has been said but the rumor is she was celebrating her birthday.. a 20 year old guy that was supposedly the driver fled the scene. Just awful to hear about all this stuff

[starseed]

I am so sorry to hear that Bertuzzied!

The penalties need to be very strict, people need to see that there are very serious consequences to them if they drive after having been drinking... because all too often their is the ultimate consequence faced by the other innocent people on the road and their families.

[EDBTZ12]

Sorry to hear OP. Hope there can be a trust fund set up in his name and you could post a link to this thread.

As for drunk driving i have a couple friends who when drunk are the biggest deniers ever. Ill watch them chug down 12 beers then claim they are not drunk and "drive better when drunk or high"..complete nonsense but that's why it's called being drunk because your mind is messed when intoxicated.

[gargamel]

Bertuzzied, I'm really sorry to hear that. It's such a shame that the drunks always seem to survive while the innocent ones die. It's such a pointless way to take someone's life that it makes the loss even more frustrating. I know, since a drunk woman killed my parents in '02. She's still in jail, but she gets out next year.


If you drive drunk, you should spend some time in jail whether you hurt someone or not, even if it's only a night or two. The people who drive drunk really don't care if their license gets suspended, but I bet a lot of them would think twice if their ass was on the line, literally. So many people are affected by drunk driving that there's really no excuse for it today. Again, sorry for your loss.

[GGG]

The problem with Drinking and Driving is that it is so safe to do. The number of people who drink and drive regularly is huge. Some studies estimate that 30% to 50% of people driving at night are driving under the influence of alchohol (sorry don't have link to studies) So every night thousands of people get in their car, while drunk, and drive home with absolutely no consequense. Calgary spot check program is a joke and seems to shut down around midnight. So every time some one drinks and drives successfully it re-enforces that it is safe and therefore people continue to do it until tradgedy happens or they get caught.

What needs to happen in order to reduce drinking and driving is that their needs to be more immediate consequences for drinking and driving. Now I don't know how you do it but I would start with having more spot checks and having them run well into the night. Also I would have the trains run 24 hours a day and significantly increase the number of cab licences

[Cactus Jack]

In Brazil they take away your licence for a few years and you pay $1,000CDN fine which is nothing to sneeze about when you make Brazilian Reals instead of Canuck bucks.

[Sly]

Anyone who drink/drive are selfish pricks and deserve to die.