05-31-2009, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by J pold
I can't help but wonder how exactly you become a famous abortionist...
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By being controversial and pushing the limits of the law. It gets you noticed, indicted and talked about on national news programs.
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05-31-2009, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
One moron, probably a pro life advocate, kills a late term abortionist, and suddenly all 'pro life' advocate are crazy, moonbat, fundamental religious nutjobs?
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Well, I would argue that pro-life activists (ie those that actively push their message on 3 year olds, harrass 14 year old girls on their way in/out of clinics (not necessarily for an abortion) etc) are about as low as human beings can possibly get.
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05-31-2009, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
It's funny how often pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty. All life is sacred!  |
Yeah, I've always found that an interesting contradiction.
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05-31-2009, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
One moron, probably a pro life advocate, kills a late term abortionist, and suddenly all 'pro life' advocate are crazy, moonbat, fundamental religious nutjobs?
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Nineteen morons hijack planes and run them into the Pentagon and World Trade Centers and suddenly all Muslims are crazy, moonbat, terrorist nutjobs.
I have protested logging in old growth forests, yet a few tree spikers make us environmentalists become crazy, apesh*t killers who hate humans.
Funny thing is that people blame the Muslims and the environmentalists because "they can't control their own" and don't "work to stop the radicals efforts". If that criticism holds water there.....
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05-31-2009, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
It's funny how often pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty. All life is sacred! |
I'll be the unpopular one. I know people feel strongly about this topic and I usually refrain from these discussions because people do love to attack each other in discussions like this. But here we go:
I am personally pro-life and pro-death penalty. I just don't feel the need to push my moral choices on others. I could never get an abortion, I do feel its barbaric. I do believe it is ending an innocent life and I don't think it is painless for the baby as abortion is legal during the stage of development when there is a brain and central nervous system. But that's the choice I make for MY life. While ending the life of a serial killer via the death penalty could also be considered barbaric, its not an innocent life and ending that life potentially protects other innocent people from being victims of violent crime and death.
So, for me, both abortion and death penalty requires killing someone. The difference for me is who deserved it and who didn't.
I should add, I have zero respect for pro-lifers that harass people going to clinics, kill doctors or behave like crazy people. I'm not a fan of over the top, militants supporting any cause. I seriously doubt there tactics have ever changed anyone's mind on the topic because they act like a bunch of idiots.
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05-31-2009, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Ice
I'll be the unpopular one. I know people feel strongly about this topic and I usually refrain from these discussions because people do love to attack each other in discussions like this. But here we go:
I am personally pro-life and pro-death penalty. I just don't feel the need to push my moral choices on others. I could never get an abortion, I do feel its barbaric. I do believe it is ending an innocent life and I don't think it is painless for the baby as abortion is legal during the stage of development when there is a brain and central nervous system. But that's the choice I make for MY life. While ending the life of a serial killer via the death penalty could also be considered barbaric, its not an innocent life and ending that life potentially protects other innocent people from being victims of violent crime and death.
So, for me, both abortion and death penalty requires killing someone. The difference for me is who deserved it and who didn't.
I should add, I have zero respect for pro-lifers that harass people going to clinics, kill doctors or behave like crazy people. I'm not a fan of over the top, militants supporting any cause. I seriously doubt there tactics have ever changed anyone's mind on the topic because they act like a bunch of idiots.
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I'm not that far off from you actually. I'm not pro-choice. But I believe making abortion illegal would have far greater consequences for society than legal abortion does now. I abhor it as a form of birth control. I think, at times, it is a necessary evil. I think it should be available and strictly regulated.
As for the death penalty, I've moved firmly into the anti- camp. Not because I think it's wrong or barbaric but because I think there is too great a chance of executing an innocent person.
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05-31-2009, 01:30 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
Nineteen morons hijack planes and run them into the Pentagon and World Trade Centers and suddenly all Muslims are crazy, moonbat, terrorist nutjobs.
I have protested logging in old growth forests, yet a few tree spikers make us environmentalists become crazy, apesh*t killers who hate humans.
Funny thing is that people blame the Muslims and the environmentalists because "they can't control their own" and don't "work to stop the radicals efforts". If that criticism holds water there.....
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It doesn't there, and it doesn't here.
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05-31-2009, 02:14 PM
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What I love about pro-lifers is that they don't want abortions yet don't want anything to do with the broken families and troubled, poverty stricken children that result in women having un-wanted or un-planned babies. Kind of hypocritical if you ask me...........
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05-31-2009, 02:53 PM
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Had an idea!
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
It's funny how often pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty. All life is sacred! |
Its funny how pro-choicers are anti-death penalty. All life is sacred.
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05-31-2009, 02:59 PM
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Had an idea!
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To be an evil, inconsiderate .... here....
The news should not have labeled the deed as "murder".
It was simply a 210th trimester abortion.
I'm sure Tiller would've agreed.
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05-31-2009, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
It's funny how often pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty. All life is sacred! |
Probably because they think everyone deserves a chance in society, you grossly abuse it then you lose it.
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05-31-2009, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
To be an evil, inconsiderate .... here....
The news should not have labeled the deed as "murder".
It was simply a 210th trimester abortion.
I'm sure Tiller would've agreed.
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well when you put it like that... it actually makes alot of sense!
Im gonna abort my friggin' neighbor for letting his dog crap on my lawn!
Last edited by jeremywilhelm; 05-31-2009 at 03:12 PM.
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05-31-2009, 03:18 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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05-31-2009, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
To be an evil, inconsiderate .... here....
The news should not have labeled the deed as "murder".
It was simply a 210th trimester abortion.
I'm sure Tiller would've agreed.
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As long as the guys mother gave the killer the okay.
I find it funny (sad) that you can get a late term partial birth abortion but if you have that baby and leave it in a dumpster that is a crime. I don't know how someone can justify the difference between the two situations.
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05-31-2009, 04:34 PM
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/31/...led/index.html
They caught the guy. He's from the Kansas City area.
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05-31-2009, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Azure
Its funny how pro-choicers are anti-death penalty. All life is sacred. |
What a lame post. When did pro-choice people start claiming all life is sacred?
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05-31-2009, 05:06 PM
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IMHO To each his/her own. I'm not going to tell someone how to live their life or what to do with their life.
How is killing someone proving their point?
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05-31-2009, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Zarathustra
What a lame post. When did pro-choice people start claiming all life is sacred?
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What a lame post. When did pro-life people start claiming all life is sacred?
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05-31-2009, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by HOOT
IMHO To each his/her own. I'm not going to tell someone how to live their life or what to do with their life.
How is killing someone proving their point?
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I like the way you think.
I'm pro-life, but that is when it applies to my own life. I can't force anyone to think like me, and I'm glad I'm not in a position to decide whether or not the law should be 'pro-choice'.....or 'pro-life', and what the terms should be.
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