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mikey_the_redneck · 04-10-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

There have been a fair number of people in this thread saying they have no sympathy to the thief. So I am assuming that you believe that death is the appropriate punishment for stealing an ATV? Because that's what could have happened in this case....

Well its not THAT black and white.
Do YOU have sympathy for thieves?

If it was myself, had I been armed with a pellet gun I would have let the guy have it! It would sting just enough.

Off topic - this reminds me of when we were kids, we used to put protective gear on and have BB gun fights with teams.

jolinar of malkshor · 04-10-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jedi Ninja

I've bought a shotgun and am looking for the guy who has jolinar's extension cord.

Thanks, let me know when you find him. I mean her.

jolinar of malkshor · 04-10-2009, 01:52 PM

I don;t think anyone can take much from the news article. I am sure there is much more to this story than what is being reported. I have talked to some people who know the guy and the story is much different. Yes I understand that his side is probably exactly what happened but there are always two sides to a story. The criminal code allows someone to use force to protect property. I am sure the guy wasn't trying to kill the robber, probably only trying to scare him.

I guess we will have to wait to see the facts come out in court.

One question I want to know, is why hasnt the robber been charged yet?

Devils'Advocate · 04-10-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Do YOU have sympathy for thieves?

Ones that get shot running away from the scene? Yes.

This guy didn't kill anyone, rape anyone, molest anyone, assault anyone... I don't think what he did deserved being shot. I think punishment should fit the crime and if the punishment goes beyond that warranted by the crime, then I feel sympathy for criminal.

Nuje · 04-10-2009, 02:36 PM

I won't say I support either way. I have no sympathy for a thief really. Maybe we had too much crap stolen when I was younger, but it feels like crap. No amount of insurance can help against that feeling. Also, when your garage gets broken into a few times in a month, you tend to think that the house is next.

This guy over-reacted (and that's an understatement). If he gets charged, he had it coming. I might chase someone over that if I knew he wasn't armed, but I certainly wouldn't shoot at him (even if I actually HAD a gun for some reason). If he gets charged with nothing, then I'll sleep with a cricket paddle under my bed, and not be worried about getting charged if a thief breaks in.

mikey_the_redneck · 04-10-2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Ones that get shot running away from the scene? Yes.

This guy didn't kill anyone, rape anyone, molest anyone, assault anyone... I don't think what he did deserved being shot. I think punishment should fit the crime and if the punishment goes beyond that warranted by the crime, then I feel sympathy for criminal.

I think that is lame..............we will have to agree to disagree.

This is the watered down pansy attitude that is taking over the country. Why don't we just put a big sign up that says "as long as you dont hurt anyone, consequences will be minmal"

How does giving a thief a slap on the wrist discourage others or himself from stealing again?

Brutal. Now I dont thnk DEATH is appropriate here, but I dont see anything wrong with putting a hurtin' on someone for stealing, whether it be a gunshot wound or a good curb stomping.

If I was trying to steal someones car or something, and I suffered a gun shot wound as a result, I might just think twice about doing it again, as opposed to going to court and getting a few months in jail or paying a fine or whatever.

Orange · 04-10-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

There have been a fair number of people in this thread saying they have no sympathy to the thief. So I am assuming that you believe that death is the appropriate punishment for stealing an ATV? Because that's what could have happened in this case....

He could of died, but he didn't.

Nope, instead he had to go to the hospital for treatment of minor injuries (which depending on the news article, some say it was because of the cold, you know riding an ATV at 2 am during March in Alberta does get pretty cold

).

I realize that a lot of people will bring up the "What if he did die" scenario, as.. well he was, allegedly, shot at. But "what if" after the thief stole the truck, instead of crashing into some ditch or tree or whatever he hit, ended up being an innocent person (fortunately that wasn't the case as it was 2 am). Because that's what could have happened in this case....

I have a feeling everyone would be on the "to bad the gun shot didn't kill him" bandwagon. Of course this, thankly, wasn't the case. And no one (including the thief) was seriously injured.

The simple reality is, the man didn't die, just like he didn't harm anyone. Quite frankly, I feel, the thief didn't get what he deserves. He'll face a fine, get little to no jail time maybe some community service and perhaps a bruised bottom. Big woop.

Ford Prefect · 04-10-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

There have been a fair number of people in this thread saying they have no sympathy to the thief. So I am assuming that you believe that death is the appropriate punishment for stealing an ATV? Because that's what could have happened in this case....

Your post implies that Knight intended to kill the thief. If Knight intended to kill the guy he wouldn't have grabbed his 12 gauge, he would have grabbed his deer hunting rifle. I think that pretty much indicates what his intents were. That is, he wasn't out to kill the guy. It sounds like Knight discharged his 12 gauge from a non-lethal distance too, and that was likely calculated as well.

It should certainly be an interesting legal case. I'm not sure Knight's lawyer will be able to successfully establish that Knight knew what he was doing and deliberately and calculatingly used non-lethal force. I'm guessing that's what Knight will try to build his case on, but I can't see the courts upholding it.

mykalberta · 10-07-2011, 01:23 PM

Ahh, gots to love our court system.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-sentence.html

wooohooo · 10-07-2011, 02:42 PM

I don't think there's anything wrong with the decision. If I remember right, you are only allowed to use reasonable force. There's nothing reasonable about ramming an ATV with your car then using your shotgun to fire two shots. Maybe if it was in the air to scare the guy, but not at him. But then again I'm using details from the link provided but 3 months is not very long but long enough to set a precedence that this action is not tolerated.

There's a reason why we pay our taxes to the police. There's no need to kill people over stealing property as wrong as it maybe.

jar_e · 10-07-2011, 02:54 PM

nm, misread thread

Stranger · 10-07-2011, 06:39 PM

Were the 3 men charged with anything?

Hilch · 10-07-2011, 06:46 PM

Funny thing is if this was a RCMP officer chasing a suspect down and shooting him he would be getting a pat on the back. The guys who actually committed the crime that started this whole thing probably walked away free and clear with some community service.

Daradon · 10-07-2011, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilch

Funny thing is if this was a RCMP officer chasing a suspect down and shooting him he would be getting a pat on the back. The guys who actually committed the crime that started this whole thing probably walked away free and clear with some community service.

Not entirely true. When there are shootings there are usually reviews. Agreed it would be much different than this case, but that's the point. One has been trained in situations like this and given trust by the community in dealing with them, and one hasn't.

90 days is not a lot, I would have thought he would have gotten more IMO. Injuries (or lack of) probably had something to do with it.

Rathji · 10-07-2011, 07:07 PM

90 days means he serves 30 or less with good behavior. I don't recall if he has served any time, but that would come off as well.

hockeycop · 10-07-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hilch

Funny thing is if this was a RCMP officer chasing a suspect down and shooting him he would be getting a pat on the back. The guys who actually committed the crime that started this whole thing probably walked away free and clear with some community service.

An RCMP (or other Police Officer) would not shoot a fleeing suspect in the back. There is nearly no way to defend it being a proper use of force using any agencies standrds.

A Police Officer using force likely to cause death or GBH on a subject who is resistant (a fleeing subject is resistant (unless fleeing while shooting or stabbing randomly behind him as an Officer goes for a tackle)) would get hung out to dry.

I get it though... Anti-cop... Cute.

T@T · 10-08-2011, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mykalberta

Ahh, gots to love our court system.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...-sentence.html

Gotta love people who live in the west who still think it's the wild wild west.

Mightyfire89 · 10-08-2011, 05:27 AM

Can one of you anti-cop people explain your position to me? I don't get it.

SeeBass · 10-08-2011, 08:05 AM

My only concern is that I would not like to live in an area where people shoot at others for stealing things.

Mean Mr. Mustard · 10-10-2011, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hilch

Funny thing is if this was a RCMP officer chasing a suspect down and shooting him he would be getting a pat on the back. The guys who actually committed the crime that started this whole thing probably walked away free and clear with some community service.

If a RCMP Officer shot a fleeing suspect in the back - I am pretty sure he would find himself out of a job and likely facing criminal charges as well as condemnation from everyone.