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Locke · 03-24-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

And as a result they have ADHD? Sorry, don't buy it.

Its a vicious cycle, I know.....but if people make good choices, and are responsible for their own livelihood, its very easy to overcome.

Screw you, eggs are the Devil and Milk is Satan's elixir of shame.

Azure · 03-24-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Locke

Screw you, eggs are the Devil and Milk is Satan's elixir of shame.

As long as I can keep my bacon, I'm alright.

Azure · 03-24-2009, 03:30 PM

The study in question. I forgot to mention that the patients also exercised 90 min per week.

http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/live/article/201786

photon · 03-24-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

Because the number of ADHD patients apparently just increased ten-fold based on this study, and it is going to keep increasing until 80% of the people in North America have ADHD.

Um, where does it say this in that article?

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Originally Posted by Azure

And as a result they have ADHD? Sorry, don't buy it.

No, who claimed that? I said this in response to you saying people will do anything to make themselves feel better.

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Originally Posted by Azure

Its a vicious cycle, I know.....but if people make good choices, and are responsible for their own livelihood, its very easy to overcome.

If it was very easy to overcome, everyone would do it. It's simple to overcome, not easy.

If a vicious cycle was easy to get out of, it wouldn't be called a vicious cycle, it'd be called a cycle of happiness.

There are many factors that can contribute to a person's behaviour, it's never as simple "stop being lazy". This study shows that for some, their ADD can significantly contribute.

Bagor · 03-24-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

We're going to hopefully see a major shift in the 'nutritional guide' from the 60% carbs they recommend now(seriously how long does the government have to wait before they change their stupid guide)....and towards a lower carb, higher fat, even higher protein diet.

You've mentioned this before and appear to be a strong advocate for this diet and changing to it.

My question is why hasn't it been done if the evidence is as clear cut as it appears to be from your posts? Has ANY country adopted a change in their guidelines? Surely govn scientists are reviewing all available evidence also and are advising based on their reviews.

Is there a chance (and I'm playing devil's advocate here) that maybe the diet change that you're advocating isn't as clear cut as we might believe? Could there be flaws in the experimental design/ results?

I guess my question is if the evidence is as strong as you suggest why hasn't the govn recognised and acted on it? Is it as simple as a case of science not being communicated and transferred into policy?

PsYcNeT · 03-24-2009, 03:44 PM

Do people listen to govenment recommendations regardless?

I guess it may influence the decisions of doctors and nutritionists

photon · 03-24-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

We're going to hopefully see a major shift in the 'nutritional guide' from the 60% carbs they recommend now(seriously how long does the government have to wait before they change their stupid guide)....and towards a lower carb, higher fat, even higher protein diet.

Is that similar to the Mediterranean diet that seems to be popular now?

VladtheImpaler · 03-24-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4X4

You're awesome. I was just bugging you because you always go off on food tangents like I go off on driving tangents. But I appreciate your post. Some damn good info.

edit* now, if only Vlad would notice that I called him an ambulance chaser.

I was driving home - I got the reference.

JustAnotherGuy · 03-24-2009, 04:11 PM

I am about 40 pounds over weight. Heck maybe 50. My excuse is. I eat more calories than I burn. I am the only person responsible for my weight.

Sheesh man, why can't people just take responsibility for their situation instead of trying to make an excuses? Damnit.

mykalberta · 03-24-2009, 04:12 PM

Hahahah, ADHD.

Dan02 · 03-24-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Azure

The study in question. I forgot to mention that the patients also exercised 90 min per week.

http://www.metronews.ca/vancouver/live/article/201786

Is it just me or is 90 minutes a week a little on the low side?? Is 30 minutes a day really that much to ask?

photon · 03-24-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Sheesh man, why can't people just take responsibility for their situation instead of trying to make an excuses? Damnit.

That's a false dichotomy.

In the article (did anyone bother to read the article?), for some people if they addressed the ADD they found that people were able to lose weight where before they were not.

Person has a problem, which impacts their lives negatively in different areas. Person gets help for said problem, their lives improve in the other areas as well. This is an example of people not taking responsibility how again?

Ice · 03-24-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

You've mentioned this before and appear to be a strong advocate for this diet and changing to it.

My question is why hasn't it been done if the evidence is as clear cut as it appears to be from your posts? Has ANY country adopted a change in their guidelines? Surely govn scientists are reviewing all available evidence also and are advising based on their reviews.

Is there a chance (and I'm playing devil's advocate here) that maybe the diet change that you're advocating isn't as clear cut as we might believe? Could there be flaws in the experimental design/ results?

I guess my question is if the evidence is as strong as you suggest why hasn't the govn recognised and acted on it? Is it as simple as a case of science not being communicated and transferred into policy?

The problem isn't that people eat too many carbs, its the type of carbs people eat. I'm not sure the 60% intake needs to be changed, but people need to understand the difference between getting carbs from crackers or carrots, refined white flour versus whole wheat, etc.

I had two different friends who tried the low carb Atkins diet, one girl starting losing her hair (but she did lose weight) and the guy ended up in the hospital with kidney problems. It was really scary, but he lost weight. I think the reason government is not rushing to change the daily allowances is because they're not convinced it needs to be changed.

JustAnotherGuy · 03-24-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by photon

That's a false dichotomy.

In the article (did anyone bother to read the article?), for some people if they addressed the ADD they found that people were able to lose weight where before they were not.

Person has a problem, which impacts their lives negatively in different areas. Person gets help for said problem, their lives improve in the other areas as well. This is an example of people not taking responsibility how again?

Sorry, I wasn't very clear.

I was making a comment about people taking responsibility for their lives and doing something about it instead of just making excuses. For example this lady was making an effort and it was not working. So she continued to investigate what was happening and then fixed it.

That is an example of a person who is taking responsibility instead of just blaming others or simply excepting it and not being happy.

La Flames Fan · 03-24-2009, 04:59 PM

MMMMMM....obesity:

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

GreenTeaFrapp · 03-24-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

I was making a comment about people taking responsibility for their lives and doing something about it instead of just making excuses. For example this lady was making an effort and it was not working. So she continued to investigate what was happening and then fixed it.

That is an example of a person who is taking responsibility instead of just blaming others or simply excepting it and not being happy.

What effort did she make? In the article, "Weight-loss programs stressing lifestyle and dietary changes didn't work for her because she didn't have the perseverance to follow them." Basically, she didn't make the effort to follow through. But once she found the right excuse, she was able to stop shoving food in her pie for long enough during the day so that she wasn't packing on more pounds. Then she lost weight by having surgery.

Azure · 03-24-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bagor

You've mentioned this before and appear to be a strong advocate for this diet and changing to it.

My question is why hasn't it been done if the evidence is as clear cut as it appears to be from your posts? Has ANY country adopted a change in their guidelines? Surely govn scientists are reviewing all available evidence also and are advising based on their reviews.

Is there a chance (and I'm playing devil's advocate here) that maybe the diet change that you're advocating isn't as clear cut as we might believe? Could there be flaws in the experimental design/ results?

I guess my question is if the evidence is as strong as you suggest why hasn't the govn recognised and acted on it? Is it as simple as a case of science not being communicated and transferred into policy?

To me, the evidence is as follows, and Gary Taubes laid it out in his book 'Good calories/bad calories' as well.

We've been told for years now that fat was bad, carbs were good....and protein didn't matter. And yet, our cholesterol levels have increased, blood pressure has gotten worse, we have more heart problems than ever before, more people are overweight, etc, etc.

And yet, people that follow the lower carb, higher fat, even higher protein approach....have lost weight, and have been able to keep it off. Atkins was incredibly popular as a result.

There was an article in Reader's Digest this past month about a doctor in Vancouver who used the low-carb approach on a lot of his patients. Almost 90% of them, including himself lost weight.

Food, weight, calories....etc, etc is not as complex as people make it out to be.

EDIT: And I'm not talking about eating 20 carbs per day either. If get rid of bad carbs, eat more healthy fat and protein, you will still get a decent amount of carbs, but it will be less than what you used to get.

GreenTeaFrapp · 03-24-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

MMMMMM....obesity:

http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/

No, it's not. It's because I have ADHD predominately inattentive type.

The food on that website is perfectly healthy.

Canuck-Hater · 03-24-2009, 05:12 PM

I find that hard to believe. When I was a child, with ADD (how loose is that term these days every kid has ADD according to these 'experts') one of the side effects of ritalin is lack of appetite. You dont feel like eating anything, then again everybody's different.

photon · 03-24-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Sorry, I wasn't very clear.

I was making a comment about people taking responsibility for their lives and doing something about it instead of just making excuses. For example this lady was making an effort and it was not working. So she continued to investigate what was happening and then fixed it.

That is an example of a person who is taking responsibility instead of just blaming others or simply excepting it and not being happy.

Ah ok, sorry about that. Projecting what others have said into what you said, my bad.