Obama lifts stem cell research ban

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I could be out to lunch with this, but weren't those restrictions in place before Bush ever took office?

I don't think so--but that was an awfully long time ago!

As I understand it, the Bush executive order pertained specifically to funding for research on stem cell lines developed after a certain day. Bush put that in place, Obama overturned it. I'm not an expert, but that's been my understanding.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I don't think so--but that was an awfully long time ago!

As I understand it, the Bush executive order pertained specifically to funding for research on stem cell lines developed after a certain day. Bush put that in place, Obama overturned it. I'm not an expert, but that's been my understanding.

I think you already answered in your reply to Canada O2. I suppose I will have to thank this post as well.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I think you already answered in your reply to Canada O2. I suppose I will have to thank this post as well.

You'll thank them both and like it!

[Canada 02]

this is what I got from NPR, and is the word that is circulating around the office/campus in discussions with my colleagues, however, (like the article states) we need to wait for specific guidlines from NIH

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=101653356

The stem cell restrictions, imposed by former President George W. Bush, limited federal spending for embryonic stem cell research to a small number of cell lines created before Aug. 9, 2001.

But researchers say many of the early cell lines have major drawbacks. Scientists have created hundreds of other cell lines since then, which have been off-limits to researchers who receive federal dollars.

And while the new order will allow researchers to use federal funds to work with new cell lines, a legislative ban on the use of federal dollars to create new stem cell lines remains in place.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Yeah--that sounds right--after all, Obama can't reverse a "legislative ban." But there are newer stem cell lines in existence, aren't there? As I read this--you could import them from Germany, or get some of the lines that were created in Massachussetts with private dollars or state funding.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

I don't think so--but that was an awfully long time ago!

As I understand it, the Bush executive order pertained specifically to government funding for research on stem cell lines developed after a certain day. Bush put that in place, Obama overturned it. I'm not an expert, but that's been my understanding.

Fixed.

I do believe that was the only thing he ever did in regards to stem cell research. Could be wrong though.

[RougeUnderoos]

Glenn Beck making some pretty strong arguments against stem cell research.

BECK: So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea. And sane people agreed with it!
And it was from America. Progressive movement in America. Eugenics. In case you don’t know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. …. The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening. So I guess I have to put my name on yes, I hope Barack Obama fails. But I just want his policies to fail; I want America to wake up.

[Caged Great]

The difference between Eugenics and stem cell research

Eugenics killed live people

Embrionic stem cells - not live. Also, the majority of the embryo's that would be used in such research are embryo's that are ready to go in the garbage as a vast majority of embryos are not used....

Dumb comparison

[RougeUnderoos]

I know. It was a joke. But with fatheads like this guy reaching millions of fools and telling them this is what it's about, no wonder so many people are against it.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Fixed.

I do believe that was the only thing he ever did in regards to stem cell research. Could be wrong though.

Yes--pretty much implied. But you are aware that federal research dollars fund the lion's share of health sciences research in the U.S., right? There isn't a bigger dog in that pound.

Either way, it was a stupid policy. Either stem cell research is immoral and shouldn't be done at all, or it's not and it shouldn't be interfered with by the government. Bush's silly half-measure did nothing but appease a few on the far right, and wound up being a massive bureaucratic obstacle to a lot of good scientists.

[Thor]

[Jake]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

stem cell research is a fad; patients will get cancer from this not cures

Why say this and then move on to say better methods may solve the cancer problem? Most branches of medical research have encountered major obsticles, but even then scientists don't go off and make very strong statements like the one above.

Cmmb is not my field of research, so maybe the etiquette is different, but, generally speaking, scientists are conservative people and do not make extremely opinionated statements that can be easily argued. If anything, statements like that make one seem singled minded and unable to see both sides of the issue. On the other hand, maybe a well published researcher such as yourself has been around for a long time and uses a more "old school" approach.

I appologize for going slightly off topic.

[Azure]

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=44943

Obama Signs Law Banning Federal Embryo Research Two Days After Signing Executive Order to OK It

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[Thor]

Originally Posted by Azure

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/conten...x?RsrcID=44943


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Until a reputable source says this, I wouldn't give much credit to CNS news

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Thor

Until a reputable source says this, I wouldn't give much credit to CNS news

Well, what they're actually saying is that it's buried in the omnibus appropriations bill. Obama can't line-item veto the bill, so he has no choice but to send it through or veto it and cripple the government over one line in the bill.

People tend to forget that the President's power is much more limited than the PM's is in Canada, at least in a legislative sense.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thor

Until a reputable source says this, I wouldn't give much credit to CNS news

Uh, okay then. Guess we'll wait till tomorrow, then I'll confirm it for you.

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Well, what they're actually saying is that it's buried in the omnibus appropriations bill. Obama can't line-item veto the bill, so he has no choice but to send it through or veto it and cripple the government over one line in the bill.

People tend to forget that the President's power is much more limited than the PM's is in Canada, at least in a legislative sense.

So, why reverse the decision in the first place? Grandstanding?

[Thor]

Azure I really hope thats not official, it would be horribly sad if true.

Just I expect so much BS from news sources before things are confirmed.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Azure

Uh, okay then. Guess we'll wait till tomorrow, then I'll confirm it for you.



So, why reverse the decision in the first place? Grandstanding?

Because they're completely different things. One is a law. The other is an executive order. It's also a law that has been on the books for more than a decade. I don't know precisely what effect it has on the executive order without reading it, but the two aren't the same.

Would you honestly be happier if Obama had created gridlock by vetoing the omnibus bill? That would have been horrifically irresponsible. Seriously, it seems like he can't win with you sometimes.