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Old 03-15-2009, 01:25 PM   #41
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Dated a girl who worked for WFG (I think I mentioned this in another related thread), she was tall, busty, supermodel body, hot Russian accent, but listening to her talk about WFG was infuriating, I'm shallow at the best of times, and I couldn't fathom her bringing up work/WFG ever again so I had to end it.
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Old 03-15-2009, 03:51 PM   #42
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Just a question does anybody here really know something about primerica or do you guys just base your opinion on what you read in the internet, if so dont you think its unfair to trashed a company base on what people read in the internet or with an experience with a bad agent? Because i am a client of them for seven years and im pretty happy with it.Well I'll be the first one to admit that there's always gonna be a bad one in a group. For me the only people who really give them bad reps are competition and people who where thinking primerica is get rich quick shceme...
I've been there, done that, ran like hel1.

I'm not saying that Primerica is no good for everyone, BTW. They'll take on small clients the rest of us don't really want and get them started in a general right direction, but eventually is blows up, or the client gets smart and realizes why they should be somewhere else.

I'm a certified financial planner with a large (legit) financial planning, investment company. About 15 years ago I wanted to get into financial services. The only "advisor" I knew was with Primerica and he was very successful. I joined Primerica. I lasted about 3-4 months, and left not for the reason 99% of those folks leave (because they make so little money) but because their corporate culture and philosophies frankly disgusted me.

They're a cult. There is no doubt about that. They will deny it, just as they deny all of the other claims against them. I think that Primerical advisors (to use that term very loosely) are armed and dangerous. However, ever more dangerous is World Financial Group, because of their desire to get everyone into leveraged programs.

Here are some of my favourite objections to Primerica.

"We have the best training in the business." Sure you do. If you call getting 20 similar-minded flakes in a room and pumping them up to get everyone they know into the cult and sell their products, with a rah-rah style, well that's their training. Think Billy Graham crusade, and that's what Primerica's mass meetings are like.

"Buy tern and invest the difference." Generally, correct, but they absolutely refuse to consider that in some cases permanent insurance is the right product for certain applications. It's like a hockey coach saying that a running play is always the best option in a football game. Well, sometimes the game situation calls for a passing play.

"Everyone can do this business and easily make six-figure incomes." One of my clients told me that he was approached by a Primerica person who tried to recruit him with that line. My client said, I don't think anyone can handle complex financial issues and don't want to associate with a company that feels that way. As for the high incomes, very, very few of them reach those income targets, and many of those who do, do so in my opinion at the expenses of morals. I'd rather work at 7-11 for the rest of my life than do some of the things I know those people do to make money, doing what I consider is wrong.

"Designations? Why?" Those folks have absolutely no meaningful training. Once I was in the business for a few years, I knew how much I didn't know about this very complex field I wanted to work in. I wanted to get my CFP designation. I know lots of Primerica flakes and am not aware of any of them who has a designation, wants to get a designation or feels it's important. "It would just cut into my recuiting time for me to put in the time," one per son told me once.

"I sell mutual funds and term insurance. What else do I need to know about?" This may be my favourite piece of drivel they spew. When one of my clients gets a severance package, my staff and I know exactly how to handle it and how to steer them through the process. We can save them taxes. Most of these Primerica flakes have no idea about these things and I can almost guarantee they make errors.

I could go on and on and on on this, because it's one of my favourite topics. I detest firms that screw people around through bad business practices all the while preaching the wonderful business opportunity so that they can lure others into the cult so there are more of them out there to do the same thing.

I write a financial column in some newspapers and years ago got a call from a Primerica person in an office near mine. He said he liked my articles and wanted to meet with me to talk about how I could joining Primerica. I know his office. There were about five Primerica reps working there. I was pretty sure I was already outearning his entire office and told him I wasn't interested. I was doing well enough, thanks but no thanks.

I can guarantee that there are Primerica reps in this forum and I haven't read the whole thread yet, but I eagerly await someone's rebuttal. I'd love nothing more than to get one of them in a face-to-face debate so I can debunk their feeble claims. I know their lies because I saw them spewing their nonsense from the inside and I ran like hel1.

If you're a Primerica client and are happy, good for you. You'll find out one day, or worse yet you won't find out what I'm takking about and the'll do something that will damage you financially.

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Old 03-15-2009, 04:32 PM   #43
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When I was young and naive, I was approached (at work no less) by a WFG lady.

She was late 20's, stylish, well-spoken, and likely one of the 'success' stories that WFG occasionally gets. Her initial pitch sounded good, as she made it seem like she'd like to hire me to do some insurance-based leg work for her.

Fast forward a few days to when we have lunch and she opens up a folder with all this impressive documentation and whatnot, and proceeds to tell me about what I would do. As soon as I heard the worlds 'recruitment' I stopped, put down my sandwich, and blurted out the words "Pyramid-scheme?". She was taken aback, regained her composure, and attempted to try and explain how it wasn't a pyramid-scheme and how I was just giving other opportunities to make money.

I got up and left without saying anything else.
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Old 03-15-2009, 07:09 PM   #44
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Dated a girl who worked for WFG (I think I mentioned this in another related thread), she was tall, busty, supermodel body, hot Russian accent, but listening to her talk about WFG was infuriating, I'm shallow at the best of times, and I couldn't fathom her bringing up work/WFG ever again so I had to end it.
Did you at least get to put your 'growth mutual fund' in her '25 year annuity'?
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Old 03-16-2009, 06:05 AM   #45
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I had a co-worker do the World Financial Group thing. Always thought it was a bit weird how pushy he was about it considering we were not even close to what I'd consider friends ... anyway, being the nice, misguided fellow I am (was?), I invited him to my house for a chat as my wife was pregnant and our income was about to take a good hit.

I wanted tips about what we should be doing (like what kind of life insurance to get, things like that). Needed some help and advice with how to reduce monthly bills. He came by, took info about our budget, and came back with a plan that would see us roll our higher-interest debt (student loans) into a HELOC, and then invest the difference between our old monthly payments and our new ones into some whole-life insurance thing.

I get the idea that he meant well but what infuriated me was that he didn't seem to listen to my over-riding goal. I needed to reduce monthly payments because we'd be losing about 40% of our income. His plan would have seen monthly payments remain the same (but of course ... earn him some commissions)! To this day the guy still calls once or twice a year though I haven't answered in some time. I really thought the last time we spoke I made it clear that I wouldn't be needing his 'services' any more ... guess I didn't make it clear enough.
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Old 03-16-2009, 08:25 AM   #46
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My question to anyone in Primerica / WFG is this.... why the heck would I want to tell a friend all my financial information? One of my fiance's best friends has a husband who works for WFG... I want to punch him in the face everytime he opens his trap about life insurance.

I have my degree in business (accounting) and some douchbag electrician thinks he knows more about finance than me?? Get bent!

I will say that I was a district manager for Vector Marketing which sells cutco knives. At least in that buisness you don't ask to know all your friends personal info... thats what really bothers me about Primerica / WFG.

Ohh, and in reference to the person who said Cutco are crappy knives... I have over 500 customers who have owned them for over 5 years and all I have heard are extremly glowing reviews. By the way I havent worked for Vector/Cutco for over 5 years so I have no reason to boost them.
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Slava, you caught me spouting off (again)!

I am assuming that fee-for-service is the best bet because you're paying for the person's time... I suppose the motivation of a poor fee for service planner would be to fumble around and waste your time. There are probably bad eggs in every "group".

I am curious to know why you think fee for service planning isn't the right way to go? (For either someone interested in it as a career, or someone looking to get assistance with financial planning).
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Old 03-16-2009, 09:04 AM   #48
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I had a friend in a similar situation.

He was working with RBC or TD I think as a financial planner.

I told him up front that he is my friend, but that I dont want to mix money and friendship.

If he cannot handle it then he isnt a great friend.

Looks like a great company all things considered.
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LOL @ Cutco knives debate.

Almost thread-worthy.
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Slava, you caught me spouting off (again)!

I am assuming that fee-for-service is the best bet because you're paying for the person's time... I suppose the motivation of a poor fee for service planner would be to fumble around and waste your time. There are probably bad eggs in every "group".

I am curious to know why you think fee for service planning isn't the right way to go? (For either someone interested in it as a career, or someone looking to get assistance with financial planning).

Well without getting into the nuts and bolts of it, here are a couple of points on why I really dissuade people from taking this route with me. (Like I say I have done this before, and have some clients in this realm):

1. Clients totally procrastinate. By this I mean I built some fairly amazing plans on a fee-based plans for people that got them totally out of debt years or decades earlier, were more appropriate for their stage in life or just generally made a huge amount of sense. But even when the plan is perfect for them, the implementation often leaves something to be desired if indeed it ever takes place. Basically then I've collected a fee to build this thing, but other than the client knowing its a good way to go, they've gotten nothing from it. I have a really hard time with this; I can't stand seeing people lose money and hate even more to be the cause of that.

2. If the client implements everything in the perfect plan they are paying commissions or fees of some sort to do this. Its got nothing to do with whether this gets paid to me or my firm; but if I say buy such and such investment and you pay a commission to do that, why not just pay me in the first place and not pay the fee to hear it? Same goes for insurance (although clearly most people hate insurance in this thread!) or other areas where the client needs advice. If you think that my recommendations are not that good and don't invest through me I make nothing and you pay nothing...which is bad for business, but fair for the client!

I guess overall, although there may be single cases that differ, commission based advisors have to rely on doing the right thing for their clients on an ongoing basis to keep them as clients.

I do want to differentiate something here though; when I talk about fee-based I'm talking about paying a fee for someone to review your situation, provide a financial plan, etc. I'm not talking about an annual fee for your investments on a flat-rate basis. I do operate accounts in this fashion....this is not to suggest that I don't have a few misgivings with that as well, but I've already de-railed things enough for now!
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