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Yeah_Baby · 03-02-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

That's pretty selfish of you.

Actually, he mails his leftovers to the starving kids in Africa.

Igottago · 03-02-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

No I don't and I eat out usually only once per week. Do you believe in the tooth fairy etc. as well? Obviously you don't have any belief in science if you choose to smoke.

Actually I don't smoke. And yes, I do believe in the tooth fairy.

PsYcNeT · 03-02-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

No I don't and I eat out usually only once per week. Do you believe in the tooth fairy etc. as well? Obviously you don't have any belief in science if you choose to smoke.

So if we lose all belief in science does gravity cease to affect us?

Because that would be awesome.

CaptainCrunch · 03-02-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

So you won't mind when your healthcare premiums are raised 200% as they should be and mine are lowered by at least 50% when the bozo politicians finally realize we can't afford to keep paying through the nose so dummies can kill themselves and others because they need their crutch?

What health care premiums?

Do you drink?

do you drive motorcycles?

Do you engage in unprotected sex?

Maybe we need to add to the que and have doctors do health care assesments every year.

Maybe all the people out there that smoke pot need to get dinged to.

Hey, I have a great idea, lets remove drug prohibition with the condition that every drug user should see a 1000% increase in their premiums or personal taxation.

Yes, I smoke, I admit that, but I also eat very healthy, work out every day and I don't drink, so I might be taking less of a risk then the average person out there, so should my premiums balance and be lower.

I haven't had a speeding ticket in years, maybe I'm not a risk for traffic accidents except for one, and that was the other guys fault because he was using a cellphone when he drove, wait a minute those guys are a massive menace, their health care premiums should increase to.

Why don't we do a pay as you go scenario, you get a check list and the doctor won't see you until you pay cash, that would be awesome.

JohnnyFlame · 03-02-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

As long as they do the same to fat people, people who travel to exotic locales, extreme sport enthusiasts, competitive sport enthusiasts and people who procreate when they know their family history of a pre-disposition to heart disease, cancer, diabetes etc.

Look at jiri and all costs he has contributed to the health care system due to his buggered knee from floor hockey, same with habernac, leeches.

If you do the cash flow analysis of a smoker contributing $7 per day in taxes ($2500/year) and in 30 years will require serious funding compared to a hockey player who costs the system $20k in surgery and rehab right now.

Then throw in the risking, the smoker may just die suddenly of a heart attack, he's a freebie, the hockey player might get cancer anyway because it runs in the family. The state will then benefit from the estate taxes sooner in this case.

I am being facetious of course, but curious on these things.

Looking at these numbers they should be looking at making cigarettes, much much more deadly, might be a good idea.

I'm not against healthcare premiums reflecting the risks people take -- In fact I think it's a well needed reform. Just like I'm not against smokers etc. paying through the nose to purchase the product. That society is actually stupid enough to allow these products to be sold amazes me. Very nice to see there are actually some humans with brains and that smoking is being forced out more and more as it should be.

PsYcNeT · 03-02-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Very nice to see there are actually some humans with brains and that smoking is being forced out more and more as it should be.

Yep, and if it wasn't for all the people who know whats right for everyone else, we'd have no one to thank!

JohnnyFlame · 03-02-2009, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

What health care premiums?

Do you drink?

do you drive motorcycles?

Do you engage in unprotected sex?

Maybe we need to add to the que and have doctors do health care assesments every year.

Maybe all the people out there that smoke pot need to get dinged to.

Hey, I have a great idea, lets remove drug prohibition with the condition that every drug user should see a 1000% increase in their premiums or personal taxation.

Yes, I smoke, I admit that, but I also eat very healthy, work out every day and I don't drink, so I might be taking less of a risk then the average person out there, so should my premiums balance and be lower.

I haven't had a speeding ticket in years, maybe I'm not a risk for traffic accidents except for one, and that was the other guys fault because he was using a cellphone when he drove, wait a minute those guys are a massive menace, their health care premiums should increase to.

Why don't we do a pay as you go scenario, you get a check list and the doctor won't see you until you pay cash, that would be awesome.

Sorry but I've never thought that "Oh yeah well there are other idiotic things people do as well so I should be allowed to smoke" is a logical argument. The scientific evidence is this case is massive and totally irrefutable yet you choose to ignore it. I can't get pass that case of brain death.

ok, ok,....I get it · 03-02-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DESS

Nice post OP. I couldn't agree more.

hey OP.....

Igottago · 03-02-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I'm not against healthcare premiums reflecting the risks people take -- In fact I think it's a well needed reform. Just like I'm not against smokers etc. paying through the nose to purchase the product. That society is actually stupid enough to allow these products to be sold amazes me. Very nice to see there are actually some humans with brains and that smoking is being forced out more and more as it should be.

How much do you think it would cost the healthcare system to do a risk assessment on everyone? Like it or not, we are a society...some things that others do we have to accept we will be paying for.

ok, ok,....I get it · 03-02-2009, 02:32 PM

Sometimes I think people worry about everyone else too much.........put your head down worry about your work..........

PsYcNeT · 03-02-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

How much do you think it would cost the healthcare system to do a risk assessment on everyone? Like it or not, we are a society...some things that others do we have to accept we will be paying for.

JohnnyFlame · 03-02-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by fotze

I have always advocated a "health care tab" type of system. I would be curious to see a running total of what I have cost this country. Every time you see a doc, you number goes up by a realistic amount. You could compare that amount to averages in your demographic, see where you are in life. You should also see positives, even though I have a heart murmer which has cost more money, I do remember every year going to the hospital so that learning doctors could stream in for 4 hours so they could listen to my heart since it was such an oddball thing. So I should get a credit for that.

If for nothing else, people could see how much they cost, give them perspective, maybe incentives to lowering the costs.

Exactly. Choose to completely ignore common sense and scientific knowledge--up goes your premium. Choose to live a healthy lifestyle and down it goes.

Would still have to be a base amount to cover those with childhood diseases, accidents etc. but otherwise yes there could indeed be perspective and incentives. I'm thinking very rapidly you would see parents more concerned about what little Johnny was stuffing down his gullet.

A sense of responsibility for your actions. Something smokers have never understood.

habernac · 03-02-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

I'm not against healthcare premiums reflecting the risks people take -- In fact I think it's a well needed reform. Just like I'm not against smokers etc. paying through the nose to purchase the product. That society is actually stupid enough to allow these products to be sold amazes me. Very nice to see there are actually some humans with brains and that smoking is being forced out more and more as it should be.

impossible and impractical to police. It'd be more money than it's worth, like the gun registry.

Boblobla · 03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Montana Moe

I used to time my supervisor's smoke breaks, and then leave that much earlier at the end of the day. Pissed him off to no end.

Sounds like a great way to move up in the world...

To the OP

JohnnyFlame · 03-02-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Igottago

How much do you think it would cost the healthcare system to do a risk assessment on everyone? Like it or not, we are a society...some things that others do we have to accept we will be paying for.

It would be a net benefit as problems would be diagnosed earlier. Corrective steps taken earlier. Incentives to change lifestyle resulting in better overall population health.

All that's done now is to deal with a problem that has reached the stage where it's out of control. Far better to have preventive medicine. But again people would have to accept that there are consequences to the way you choose to live and for the most part they couldn't care less even if it affects the health of even their own children. They would actually smoke a cigarette in a car with their own newborn stuck in a chair behind them and not give a crap so they can have their fix. Can we move from something that pathetic to something more enlightened? I doubt it but there has been progress!!!!!

Ethaniel · 03-02-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Boblobla

Sounds like a great way to move up in the world...

To the OP

Obviously a Smoker that likes to not work at his job instead of nose to the grindstone.

Why can't smokers pretend they are on a 4 hour plane ride and just not go.
I don't have a problem with breaks in general, I have a problem when people start taking advantage of them and smoking seems to usually be the culprit. I have the issue when other people (non-smokers) get crapped on with work because said person did not pull their weight because of smoke breaks. It happens all the time and people just look the other way, especially Smokers.

RougeUnderoos · 03-02-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethaniel

Obviously a Smoker that likes to not work at his job instead of nose to the grindstone.

Why can't smokers pretend they are on a 4 hour plane ride and just not go.
I don't have a problem with breaks in general, I have a problem when people start taking advantage of them and smoking seems to usually be the culprit. I have the issue when other people (non-smokers) get crapped on with work because said person did not pull their weight because of smoke breaks. It happens all the time and people just look the other way, especially Smokers.

Do you have to do more work because they are out smoking?

CaptainCrunch · 03-02-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ethaniel

Obviously a Smoker that likes to not work at his job instead of nose to the grindstone.

Why can't smokers pretend they are on a 4 hour plane ride and just not go.
I don't have a problem with breaks in general, I have a problem when people start taking advantage of them and smoking seems to usually be the culprit. I have the issue when other people (non-smokers) get crapped on with work because said person did not pull their weight because of smoke breaks. It happens all the time and people just look the other way, especially Smokers.

A) Theres no laws that smokers get special breaks, the break laws are universal, so if your company gives a 15 minute break in the morning and one in the afternoon then those breaks are available to smokers and non smokers alike. Don't make it sound like smokers are getting extra privlidges universally because frankly thats not true. If your company is lose with breaks, then you as a non smoker have the same rights to take them.

I resent the whole, smokers aren't pulling their weight argument, I get every project and every client action done in a timely break, because frankly I work hard and I'm effective at my job, if you have people that aren't, its not because their smokers, its because like a lot of non smokers they're not organized or lazy when they're working.

transplant99 · 03-02-2009, 03:08 PM

Dont smokers already pay WAY more towards health care with the 8 dollar a pack tax they plunk down with every purchase??

I remember reading something about this long ago...and it was way before the prices went through the roof.

CaptainCrunch · 03-02-2009, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Dont smokers already pay WAY more towards health care with the 8 dollar a pack tax they plunk down with every purchase??

I remember reading something about this long ago...and it was way before the prices went through the roof.

Yup