Help me win a weight gain bet

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Nufy

I know you bud........

Your screwed.

Hahaha, that's what everyone who knows me has said.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by HelloHockeyFans

Yep. Also, stay away from liquid creatine... stick with the powder form and mix it with something non-acidic... and it's best after the workout.

HHF is right in staying away from acid drinks, there is no solid proof on the effects, but Creatine already raises your ph levels in your stomach. Also before work and before bed to get your best results 8-10g's daily.

Creatine Mono-hydrate would be the best for the results you are going for, but if you want to build up actual muscle, instead of water gain, try Kre-Alkalyn.

It is a buffered (low ph levels) creatine so you don't lose any to waste. Basically when you take 5g of Mono-hydrate your body absorbs ~2g, with Kre-Alkalyn 5g's puts 5g's in your body. No wasted product.

However if you are just trying to gain as much weight, without caring if it's healthy, I would just stop at a fast food joint for every meal

[worth]

I can list out what I eat in the day. May give you some ideas.

Breakfast 6:00am: Usually a bowl of low fat, low sugar cereal or 4-6 egg whites and 2 slices of turkey bacon

Snack 9:30am: banana, rice thin crackers and low fat low granola bar

Lunch 12:00pm: non fat ham or turkey sandwich with low fat cheese and 2 servings of condiments. (low fat low sodium mayo/mustard), non fat yogurt, celery serving

Snack 2:00pm: baking almonds (no salt, no sugar) low fat cottage cheese, cucumber or celery

Work out 4:00pm: usually work out after I get home from work

Dinner 6:00pm: protein shake, chicken breast, fish, pork etc

Snack: if I feel like something else I will try to scrounge up some more protein and stay away from the carbs for now. tuna or some peanut butter will fit the bill. or have a couple of egg whites or something.

My weight is pretty steady now, so I think I need to increase the number of calories i'm taking in. I'm burning too much during my work outs. Hopefully that was a little help to you.

[TSXCman]

mixing creatine with acid makes it react into creatotine or some such altered version of creatine that does nothing to your body anymore

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

mixing creatine with acid makes it react into creatotine or some such altered version of creatine that does nothing to your body anymore

Are you thinking creatinine?

Do you have a source on that?

I was under the assumption that creatine mixed with an acid drink just raises your pH levels, which is bad for your stomach. I have never heard it turns in creatinine because of acid, creatinine is created by the breakdown of creatine by the body and then is filtered by your kidney.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by TSXCman

mixing creatine with acid makes it react into creatotine or some such altered version of creatine that does nothing to your body anymore

Creatine is 99.9% useless to everyone besides Olympic athletes where every nuance counts anyway, but I don't feel like getting into a debate like that on a message board...

Any way you look at this, gaining that much weight in so little time is quite unhealthy. The best way to do it would through body fluids, as has been mentioned. I would suggest just eating/drinking an insane amount of food/liquids within 1-2 days of the weigh in, since you can see several pounds of fluctuation in one person within a week, so it really shouldn't be too difficult to "cheat" this way and win.

If this were a contest of % body fat, it would be as simple as increasing your caloric intake as much as possible, with as many of those calories coming from fat as you can (more efficient metabolism from fat). That would be really unhealthy, though.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Creatine is 99.9% useless to everyone besides Olympic athletes where every nuance counts anyway, but I don't feel like getting into a debate like that on a message board...

Any way you look at this, gaining that much weight in so little time is quite unhealthy. The best way to do it would through body fluids, as has been mentioned. I would suggest just eating/drinking an insane amount of food/liquids within 1-2 days of the weigh in, since you can see several pounds of fluctuation in one person within a week, so it really shouldn't be too difficult to "cheat" this way and win.

If this were a contest of % body fat, it would be as simple as increasing your caloric intake as much as possible, with as many of those calories coming from fat as you can (more efficient metabolism from fat). That would be really unhealthy, though.

My buddy and I have both established the fact that the $100 bet is wayyy less important than actually doing this properly. In my case, tons of healthy protein rich calories and lifting weights. In his, tons of working out and watching his diet.

Neither of us wants to cheat...

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Creatine is 99.9% useless to everyone besides Olympic athletes where every nuance counts anyway, but I don't feel like getting into a debate like that on a message board...

This is a personal opinion, or do you have any proof of that?

I don't get these comments at all...

[Got Miikka?]

Eating several nutritionally refined meals per day is definitely key; additionally, timing your consumption is as important as what and how often you eat. Make sure that you're taking in a recovery snack of some kind ASAP after any weight training and eating a full balanced meal within a couple of hours.

Men's Health magazine is IMO the best mainstream resource that does a good job of keeping up with and utilizing the current literature and makes modest, realistic recommendations. They dedicate lots of print to nutrition and every issue has several great, easy recipes that conform to the standards many have been highlighting here.

Tres importante: it's different for everybody. Pay close attention to what your body is telling you and make adjustments accordingly.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by HOOT

This is a personal opinion, do you have any proof of that?

I don't get these comments at all...

It's an opinion based off facts, which, believe me, nearly no one seems to know when it comes to supplements.

I've taken nutrition courses, read peer-reviewed articles, and I've had conversations with registered dietitians about some of the common supplements.

If you're interested, see http://www.acsm.org/Content/Navigati...reatine_Rt.pdf

[Locke]

I dont understand this. I get the fact that you're a beanpole and all weight you gained would likely evaporate quickly once the bet is over, and I can appreciate that to some degree.

But in this instance it just seems like too much work. Have you ever thought of just cheating? Wear some ankle weights to the final weigh in or something.

Cheating really is the way to go.

[HOOT]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

It's an opinion based off facts, which, believe me, nearly no one seems to know when it comes to supplements.

I've taken nutrition courses, read peer-reviewed articles, and I've had conversations with registered dietitians about some of the common supplements.

If you're interested, see http://www.acsm.org/Content/Navigati...reatine_Rt.pdf

I'm curious why everytime I go off of creatine I lose size, strength and even mental focus? Am I tricking myself into that?

I am not trying to get into an argument on if it works or not because everyone has their opinion, just like any article or study on the internet, but I am dumb founded by the results myself and friends get when taking it.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by Locke

I dont understand this. I get the fact that you're a beanpole and all weight you gained would likely evaporate quickly once the bet is over, and I can appreciate that to some degree.

But in this instance it just seems like too much work. Have you ever thought of just cheating? Wear some ankle weights to the final weigh in or something.

Cheating really is the way to go.

Because his name isn't Kenny Hotz.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Because his name isn't Kenny Hotz.

I hate to break it to you, but Spenny always loses.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by Frequitude

My buddy and I have both established the fact that the $100 bet is wayyy less important than actually doing this properly. In my case, tons of healthy protein rich calories and lifting weights. In his, tons of working out and watching his diet.

Neither of us wants to cheat...

Well even in this context, to win you're likely going to have to have % body fat gains, which I assume you were expecting to have to do?

Increasing protein intake will not lead to hypertrophy (except in some elderly), if that's what you're alluding to. I guess in your case it's as simple as implementing a resistance training program and increasing caloric intake immediately. There's really no secrets here.

[Ch40s]

Originally Posted by HOOT

I'm curious why everytime I go off of creatine I lose size, strength and even mental focus? Am I tricking myself into that?

I am not trying to get into an argument on if it works or not because everyone has their opinion, just like any article or study on the internet, but I am dumb founded by the results myself and friends get when taking it.

Well I have no idea of your education, but to suggest your anecdotal evidence somehow superscedes proven, peer-reviewed, repeated scientific studies is beyond laughable.

"Whether it works or not" is not an opinion. The physiological effects of Creatine supplementation are well documented.

[Nufy]

Step 1;

More Drunken Nights at Duttons....

I can't wait to see what you sign up for next......LOL

[koop]

If your plan is to gain 10 pounds of MUSCLE you really have no chance. It's easy to lose 10 pounds in a week or two (might not be healthy), but I don't think it's even possible to gain 10 pounds of muscle in the same time frame.

[koop]

Actually I have an idea
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/08/...ry-it-at-home/

Follow the Michael Phelps diet minus the swimming and you will win for sure.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Ch40s

Well even in this context, to win you're likely going to have to have % body fat gains, which I assume you were expecting to have to do?

Increasing protein intake will not lead to hypertrophy (except in some elderly), if that's what you're alluding to. I guess in your case it's as simple as implementing a resistance training program and increasing caloric intake immediately. There's really no secrets here.

Ya, that's the basic plan. Eat more (volume and frequency) and lift weights. Get creative and effective meal ideas from friends, magazines, and people like yourselves.

I don't see myself getting overly fancy with my diet, but I'll definitely incorporate some of the more straightforward ideas.