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Old 12-19-2008, 01:28 PM   #41
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I can't quote at work so bare with me.

Dion, I know millions of people play golf but how many NHLers are named Davis Love III. Most golfers come from money already, same with Tennis. It is a rather elite sport end of story.

I know lots of other people play it, but it is one of those sports that rich people tend to be good at because they are the ones who can play it.

Malkolm14: I completely agree with the first part of your statement about Tigers domination, but I think that is why it is less impressive, he's so good that playing injured just levels the playing field a bit.

Jiri: as to the type of injury, again I think that golf is probably last or close to it on the scale of physically demanding sports. Was Tigers feat great? Sure. But not #1 story of the year. Maybe top ten but that is iffy to me.
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I can't quote at work so bare with me.

Dion, I know millions of people play golf but how many NHLers are named Davis Love III. Most golfers come from money already, same with Tennis. It is a rather elite sport end of story.

I know lots of other people play it, but it is one of those sports that rich people tend to be good at because they are the ones who can play it.

Malkolm14: I completely agree with the first part of your statement about Tigers domination, but I think that is why it is less impressive, he's so good that playing injured just levels the playing field a bit.

Jiri: as to the type of injury, again I think that golf is probably last or close to it on the scale of physically demanding sports. Was Tigers feat great? Sure. But not #1 story of the year. Maybe top ten but that is iffy to me.
I don't think you're putting the knee into proper perspective with regards to a golf swing.

A golfer playing with a torn ACL in his pivot knee is like a quarterback playing with a torn ligament in his throwing shoulder. Even moreso in Tiger's case, since his particular swing has been well documented as to the strain it puts on his knee (even before he tore his ACL).

Edit: In fact, in proper perspective... To do what Tiger did in the US open would actually be like a quarterback not just playing with a torn throwing-arm shoulder ligament, but actually playing all season long and then winning the Super Bowl with that same injury. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't happen.

Don't forget, Tiger tore his ACL 10 months prior to the US Open. He played in 12 tournaments, winning 9 of them, before winning the US Open in 91 holes.

So... For complete perspective, that's like Brett Favre tearing a ligament in his throwing shoulder in the 3rd game of the season... but playing all 12 remaining games, winning 9 of them, making the playoffs and then winning the Super Bowel in sudden death OT... all with his throwing shoulder flopping around in its socket. I'm pretty sure that would make a few headlines somewhere.

Edit: Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely conceding that the potential for getting hit in a football game completely outranks anything a golfer goes through. So, obviously if a QB actually did that, it would be an insane story... but for this example I'm just talking about the dynamics of a QB's throwing shoulder versus a golfer's pivot knee.

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Old 12-19-2008, 01:45 PM   #43
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Fanin80 Don't get me wrong it must have been tough but I just don't think it can top the arguably best team in NFL history having their undefeated season shattered in the final minute of the super bowl on an amazing one handed grab. Or arguably the greatest tennis match in history.
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Old 12-19-2008, 01:53 PM   #44
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Fanin80 Don't get me wrong it must have been tough but I just don't think it can top the arguably best team in NFL history having their undefeated season shattered in the final minute of the super bowl on an amazing one handed grab. Or arguably the greatest tennis match in history.
Oh yeah. I'm with you on that. Like I said earlier, for me it would be a toss-up between Tiger and Nadal/Federer.

The Giants beating the Pats isn't really a story. If that Pats had actually won, then that would have been at the top of my list. Getting the Top Story of the Year for failing to complete a perfect season is kinda like getting a point for losing in overtime.

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Old 12-19-2008, 04:00 PM   #45
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I know lots of other people play it, but it is one of those sports that rich people tend to be good at because they are the ones who can play it.
I call BS. You don't have to be rich to play a lot of golf. Nor is there a relation between money and a golfers skill. I've known a lot of golfers over the years that were scratch golfers and certainly didn't have the money you speak of.
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I call BS. You don't have to be rich to play a lot of golf. Nor is there a relation between money and a golfers skill. I've known a lot of golfers over the years that were scratch golfers and certainly didn't have the money you speak of.

I'd bet anything that the average net worth of the families of 75% of the golfers on the PGA tour is double or triple that of families of NBA or NFL players.

It does not matter how many scratch golfers you know because you don't know any golfers on the PGA tour. The point is that most of the professional tennis players and professional golfers came from money.

And of course there is no relation between skill and money but there sure as hell is a relation between money and ability to play. Like I said I'd be willing to bet just about anything that most golfers on the PGA tour were already upper class when they started golfing while most NBA, NFL and to a lesser extent NHL players were from either lower class or middle class families.
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I'm still trying to understand what money has to do with wining a US open on a torn ACL.
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ever hurt your ACL before, flip?
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Old 12-22-2008, 03:23 PM   #50
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I'd bet anything that the average net worth of the families of 75% of the golfers on the PGA tour is double or triple that of families of NBA or NFL players.

I'll take that bet for a trillion dollars.
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A few points:
I don't know any athletes who have played and won with a torn knee ligament and 2 breaks in a leg. Tiger Woods is a freak of nature. That was damn impressive.

I think it is a toss-up between Woods and Phelps/Bolt. Phelps was the Olympic story this year and Bolt made guys setting world records look like children. Two great athletes.
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Flip...your point about affluence within the golfing community is usurped by the one guy you are trying to make out as not doing anything special in his accomplishemnt at the US Open. If it wasn't such a big deal..why did he miss the rest of the season AND 2 more majors in favor of surgery to reconstruct his knee?

Tiger Woods didnt come from money his father was military fer god sakes....but because Davis Love III did and a few others as well, its only elites that get to play the tour?

John Daly anyone?
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Old 12-24-2008, 10:01 PM   #53
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If it wasn't such a big deal..why did he miss the rest of the season AND 2 more majors in favor of surgery to reconstruct his knee?
Call me crazy but i think new additions to his family might have had somethiung to do with his decision to take so much time off.
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Call me crazy but i think new additions to his family might have had somethiung to do with his decision to take so much time off.
Your crazy. I had ACL surgery coming up on 2 years ago and still can't play sports. It's not an easy recovery.

Moreover given his competitive drive - the guy wouldn't be taking time off by choice until he passes Jack.
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Old 12-26-2008, 08:36 PM   #55
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Second saying Tiger did it on one leg is kind of bull. Pretty sure guys in every other major sport (cept maybe baseball because its for wusses) has Championships won by key players with WAY more severe injuries than Tigers.
hmmm dont dog out baseball players, i know plenty of people who played in college hurt. Our pitcher threw in our conference tourney with a broken glove hand. I played half a season with a bad shoulder, that i later found was 3 tears in my labrum ( no NOT Labia.... but i was for sure thats what the doc said when he first told me )..... Baseball Players are very tough, you might not see it in the MLB bc those guys are paid millions and every lil injury puts them on the sidelines mostly because of the trainers and team officials not wanting their investment to be wasted because they rushed a guy back from a sore shoulder or back , or hand
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Crazy that the SB won. It was a very exciting game, with a great outcome but I am not sure that it beats out the Olympics considering Phelps performance.

I guess some will be happy that Tigers "accomplishment" was 3rd. Clemons story also way too high considering nothing new really came from it. He looked like a guilty idiot before the hearings and at best he looked a little more guilty and a lot more stupid, not sure that is the 4th news story of the year.

Overall I would say that the TSN ranking was pretty terrible.
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