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Old 09-22-2008, 05:43 PM   #41
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Folks settle down, it's not a $25 up tick.

It was just the prompt month contract coming off. The market was up but like $6.25. It's never to this magnitude, but the day the prompt contract comes off price can be very volatile as people are trying to get out of physical positions before the contract expires. A few people short October contracts got stuck with teir pants down.

Price did go up today, but just a fraction of what the headlines will say.

This link will only work for a few hours I think but explains what I'm saying
http://www.nymex.com/lsco_fut_psf.aspx

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Old 09-22-2008, 06:11 PM   #42
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I was wondering what this was all about. My information says oil's at $108.73.

Huh, sure glad I got out of my short at $91.50, anyways.
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I was wondering what this was all about. My information says oil's at $108.73.

Huh, sure glad I got out of my short at $91.50, anyways.
yep, they rolled into November today as the prompt contract.
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Old 09-22-2008, 08:35 PM   #44
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White collar crime is pretty serious. I believe the accounting laws are pretty strict about morals, and if anything can be found that can tried tried, I would have to think these execs will be persecuted to the full extent of the law.
While I agree that these guys are most likely scum, I just don't see what part of criminal law has been broken here.

Theft? Nope.
Embezzlement? Nope.
Fraud? Nope.

The only people these guys have to answer to are the shareholders and a board of directors. I am by no means condoning their actions....just saying I don't see them as criminal.
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I was looking at television tonight, the PBS news in particular, and the guy said "the price of oil rose today on speculation that a bailout plan for the banks might be forthcoming". A couple days ago the same guy said "the price of oil rose today on speculation that the bailout plan might be delayed".

What the hell does all this stuff mean? Nobody seems to bother questioning these contradictions.

"Good evening viewers. Monday's fears of the rabies outbreak with the local dog population sent the price of dogfood skyrocketing. Today's news that not a single dog in town actually has rabies pushed the price of dogfood to record levels".
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Old 09-26-2008, 01:41 AM   #46
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Reaaaaally dumb question... what is the stock quote symbol for Oil?
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:51 AM   #47
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I was looking at television tonight, the PBS news in particular, and the guy said "the price of oil rose today on speculation that a bailout plan for the banks might be forthcoming". A couple days ago the same guy said "the price of oil rose today on speculation that the bailout plan might be delayed".

What the hell does all this stuff mean? Nobody seems to bother questioning these contradictions.

"Good evening viewers. Monday's fears of the rabies outbreak with the local dog population sent the price of dogfood skyrocketing. Today's news that not a single dog in town actually has rabies pushed the price of dogfood to record levels".
I think that is part of the problem.

As crazy as this sounds, I think Bush was right when he said "The market is not functioning properly". That is just it, IMO. People are acting on speculation and with mass panic. Nothing really makes sense when people do that. I am pretty sure the stock markets arent meant to function this way - arent they supposed to be a tool for long term growth and investment in companies that have a good outlook?

It is absolute mayhem. I just wish I knew enough to make some real money out of all this panic.
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I think that is part of the problem.

As crazy as this sounds, I think Bush was right when he said "The market is not functioning properly". That is just it, IMO. People are acting on speculation and with mass panic. Nothing really makes sense when people do that. I am pretty sure the stock markets arent meant to function this way - arent they supposed to be a tool for long term growth and investment in companies that have a good outlook?

It is absolute mayhem. I just wish I knew enough to make some real money out of all this panic.
Isn't that ever the truth. I believe the stock market was initially supposed to be about buying businesses for its value, ie. its dividend yeild. Now, its mostly speculation based upon what other investors think a stock is worth. One of my friends was offered by one of the Wall Street companies to write software that would trade market derivatives based upon certain trends - thats how stocks are traded these days. If you get a chance, read a book "A Random Walk Down Wall Street" by Burton Malkail.

As you said, the stock market is a zero sum game. For all those losing tons of money - someone else has made that money. While alot of life savings are being wiped out these days, someone out there is making a ton of money. And those golden parachutes for the CEOs.
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