The longest-ever confirmed sniper kill was made by Master Cpl. Arron Perry of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan during combat in 2003. Using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.
The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, (PPCLI), set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter
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Unless you make more than 250,000 dollars a year, you will see a substantial tax cut under Obama's plan. If you make less than 55,000--your taxes will go up slightly under McCain's. Just saying.
I do also think you might take another look at the "friends" you associate Obama with. He had one business deal with the wife of Rezko, and supported a public works project Rezko was involved with. Years later Rezko was indicted on corruption charges in an unrelated matter--so I'm not sure how that really disqualifies Obama as a candidate. This article from factcheck.org pretty much debunks the whole Rezko business. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...o_reality.html
It's true that Obama served on numerous committees with Bill Ayers, many years after Ayers was involved in the Weathermen. Just for reference, when the Weathermen were active in violent plots, Obama was 8 years old. Again--it's a pretty weak "guilt by association." Ayers has a checkered past--there's no doubt. But Obama was a child when all of this happened, so I don't really see how you can pin it on him any more than you can pin an unrelated corruption charge by a former business associate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers#Radical_history
As for Wright, he's certainly a kook, and one who has a tendency to say some things that offend genteel middle Americans a little bit. I've asked in this thread before exactly what it is that makes him a "racist"--and haven't received a good answer. Crazy, sure. Radical, definitely. But "hating white people"? That's a little silly. If every African-American who is angry about race relations in America is a racist, then that's a lot of racist black people out there. Anger isn't racism. It's a natural reaction to disenfranchisement--and I think part of racial healing in this country is to start listening to just where some of that anger comes from.
But there's one thing all of those allegations have in common: they have nothing to do with Obama's plan, or how he will change things once in office. If you oppose universal health care, or think that taxpayers earning over 250,000 should not pay any more tax than they do right now, or if you think the best foreign policy is belligerence rather than diplomacy--then by all means, vote McCain. Just make sure you know what kind of car you're buying. There are many legitimate reasons to vote McCain--but I just don't think Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers or Rezko are among them.
In any case, if you think "guilt by association" is a valid reason not to vote for someone, you might try googling "Keating Five."
what is obama bringing?
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I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but if you genuinely don't know what Obama's platform is, I'd suggest taking a look at his website. I'm certainly not going to act as his representative, given that I don't agree with everything he says, and see him more or less as the lesser of two evils.
And since there's already a thread on the election, perhaps we'd better have an issues-based discussion there if you're interested.
Okay but since Obama is a community organizer that makes him ready to be a president? Dont forget that we need to put air in our tires and tune our cars up.
Oh whats his stance on oil drilling this week?
This guy will be a good president I just dont want a freshman that has nothing other than 1 term in senate to be our president. hes not ready. He has no clue about anything military. he has no clue on any foriegn policies.
Im not 100% going to vote for McCain it depends whos his runningmate (Romney I hope)
I just wonder if something was jarred loose when you fell down to worship the ground that Obama walks on when he came to mass. That guy has a cult following and seems to do great with young people (im 23 but I wont fall for it). If the young people show up and vote he has it won. But the majority of young people dont show up. ( see Howard Dean and John Kerry)
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Thank you for everything CP. Good memories and thankful for everything that has been done to help me out. I will no longer take part on these boards. Take care, Go Flames Go.
Okay but since Obama is a community organizer that makes him ready to be a president? Dont forget that we need to put air in our tires and tune our cars up.
Oh whats his stance on oil drilling this week?
This guy will be a good president I just dont want a freshman that has nothing other than 1 term in senate to be our president. hes not ready. He has no clue about anything military. he has no clue on any foriegn policies.
Im not 100% going to vote for McCain it depends whos his runningmate (Romney I hope)
I just wonder if something was jarred loose when you fell down to worship the ground that Obama walks on when he came to mass. That guy has a cult following and seems to do great with young people (im 23 but I wont fall for it). If the young people show up and vote he has it won. But the majority of young people dont show up. ( see Howard Dean and John Kerry)
You're barking up the wrong tree, bud. I'm not even American.
And really, if you want to discuss policies, do two things:
a) inform yourself
and
b) come back and we'll talk.
I'm all for an interesting discussion of Obama's policies versus McCain's. I happen to know a lot about both and agree and disagree with various parts of each platform. I don't get a vote, but I do consider it my civic duty to be informed anyway, just as I do in every Canadian election..
What I'm not interested in is playing "gotcha" or repeating talking points from one side or the other in an arm-waving contest. Either you're interested in discussion or not--it's up to you.
The longest-ever confirmed sniper kill was made by Master Cpl. Arron Perry of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan during combat in 2003. Using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.
The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, (PPCLI), set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter
Wow, 2.5 kms, that is pretty impressive. I always thought the record went to that Moroccan kid in Babel.
Okay but since Obama is a community organizer that makes him ready to be a president? Dont forget that we need to put air in our tires and tune our cars up.
Oh whats his stance on oil drilling this week?
This guy will be a good president I just dont want a freshman that has nothing other than 1 term in senate to be our president. hes not ready. He has no clue about anything military. he has no clue on any foriegn policies.
Im not 100% going to vote for McCain it depends whos his runningmate (Romney I hope)
I just wonder if something was jarred loose when you fell down to worship the ground that Obama walks on when he came to mass. That guy has a cult following and seems to do great with young people (im 23 but I wont fall for it). If the young people show up and vote he has it won. But the majority of young people dont show up. ( see Howard Dean and John Kerry)
1) You say yourself that he'll be a good president. How much experience did GW Bush have before becoming President? Hell, he had four years AS President before this current term, and he's still screwing it up. Experience=/=effectiveness. It can help, sure, but it isn't a cure-all.
2) Just because people see Obama as the lesser of two evils doesn't mean they're "worshiping" him. If he makes it into office--we'll see just how well he does, but frankly, if I've got to choose, I'm choosing Obama, because I LIKE my rights as a woman (notice the bill Republicans are trying to send through that basically allows health care providers to prevent women from accessing any birth control), and I would like to not keep paying taxes out of my rear end while oil company CEOs making 100 times what I do in a year get off easy because they're in the President's pocket.
I'm really not even political, frankly, but it seems like a no-brainer for anyone under the age of 60 who makes less than 200K a year.
1) You say yourself that he'll be a good president. How much experience did GW Bush have before becoming President? Hell, he had four years AS President before this current term, and he's still screwing it up. Experience=/=effectiveness. It can help, sure, but it isn't a cure-all.
2) Just because people see Obama as the lesser of two evils doesn't mean they're "worshiping" him. If he makes it into office--we'll see just how well he does, but frankly, if I've got to choose, I'm choosing Obama, because I LIKE my rights as a woman (notice the bill Republicans are trying to send through that basically allows health care providers to prevent women from accessing any birth control), and I would like to not keep paying taxes out of my rear end while oil company CEOs making 100 times what I do in a year get off easy because they're in the President's pocket.
I'm really not even political, frankly, but it seems like a no-brainer for anyone under the age of 60 who makes less than 200K a year.
I think that's very well said. Anyone making less than 250,000 dollars a year will benefit under Obama's tax plan. That's 95% of taxpayers if anyone's keeping score.
And I'll admit a self-interested pitch there--Obama's tax plan benefits me to the tune of several hundred dollars a year. And I don't mind telling you that I find that a compelling argument, as much as I'm sure I'll appreciate the great, glowing pile of nothing I'll get under McCain's tax plan.
Add to that the possibility of finally getting some version of universal health care in this country, and I'm willing to forgive the rest.
Wow, 2.5 kms, that is pretty impressive. I always thought the record went to that Moroccan kid in Babel.
Two things that I read about the actual record.
Over 2.5 km with a .50 calibre bullet, the round drops about 14 feet, so that was an amazing feet all by itself.
According to some reports he fired two shots. The first shot was aimed at the bag that the target was carrying, when the target looked up he was hit with the second round, so it was two aimed shots.
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The longest-ever confirmed sniper kill was made by Master Cpl. Arron Perry of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan during combat in 2003. Using a .50-caliber MacMillan TAC-50 rifle, Perry shot and killed an Afghan soldier from a distance of 2,430 metres.
The record was set during Operation Anaconda when a Canadian three-man sniper team from the Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, (PPCLI), set the new record with a shot on a Taliban fighter
Perry was part of the team but it was actually an individual called Rob Furlong that fired the shot.
