Abolutely the worst father in history

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Shnabdabber

Yeah, imagine going through life knowing that... um... your grandpa is your dad?

The whole thing just reeks of evil and these kids are going to have to try and lead normal lives. I don't see how they can...

I wonder if these kids will ever be capable of understanding the concept of dad/grandfather? I was reading about children raised by wolves, and apparently after a period of time you lose the opportunity to form concepts about regular society.

It would be impossible to judge the dynamic of the social structure inside the prison, but it is possible that these kids never learned to speak. Depending on the mental state of the mother, perhaps she was too traumatised to teach them. This is the kind of thing that is so awful hollywood could not write it

[Dan02]

while not in the same league, this one deserves a honourable mention

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/....ap/index.html

[stang]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Disclaimer Alert: I've never been in this situation... obviously not many people have. I risk being insensitive... but after a whole thread, nobody has asked this yet;

Why didn't she attempt to escape?

Now obviously 24 years is a long time... seriously like 1/2 a lifetime in a confined space? There's no way you wouldn't have psych issues (in my opinion). But wouldn't ANY kind of escape or attempt happen? What if he NEVER let you go? What if you died down there? Wouldn't you do absolutely anything to get out?

What could or would you do in this situation? I've been thinking about this... I'd be willing to go to some pretty drastic measures. I guess I don't understand all the circumstances, so I definitely cannot and would never judge. But I just got to thinking... what would I do if that was me?

That is terrible either way. Very very sad. It's one of those things where no punishment is good enough... and the best solution is that it never happened at all.

NO FRIGGIN DOUBT... Never even thought of that...

Wait for him to come squeezing in that small pasage and bash him on the effing head with the TV of something... Sheesh...

Even if you kill him you can still get the keys...

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by stang

NO FRIGGIN DOUBT... Never even thought of that...

Wait for him to come squeezing in that small pasage and bash him on the effing head with the TV of something... Sheesh...

Even if you kill him you can still get the keys...

No, she wouldn't have the keys.

Investigators say an electronic lock with a keyless entry system and a soundproof door apparently kept the woman from escaping the cell, which was constructed of reinforced concrete.

So if she killed him she would be trapped and would die.

Add to that the fact that she would have a serious case of Stockholm syndrome; especially with the captor being her father. She was abused as a child so he already had a hold on her from the time she was a little girl. I'm sure he convinced her that she would be looked upon unfavourably for having children from her own father.

[notoepik]

I imagine that his daughter the mother was not the only person he raped in that hell hole. The daughter the grandaughter was probably also raped.

What do those hidden children do while grandpa/dad is raping their mother? That area was pretty small for 4 people to live and one to visit.

Ghastly.

[stang]

Originally Posted by ken0042

No, she wouldn't have the keys.



So if she killed him she would be trapped and would die.

Add to that the fact that she would have a serious case of Stockholm syndrome; especially with the captor being her father. She was abused as a child so he already had a hold on her from the time she was a little girl. I'm sure he convinced her that she would be looked upon unfavourably for having children from her own father.

How did the father get out? Surely she could have peeked or soemthing...

Over 24 years I am sure the father got a little complacent in his PIN shielding techniques.

And with 24 years of time, I am SURE I could try every possible combination on a keyless entry...

But you do have a point with the control factor too...

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by stang

And with 24 years of time, I am SURE I could try every possible combination on a keyless entry...

But you do have a point with the control factor too...

assuming a 6 digit code that would still be 115 different combos per day. plus how easy would it be to forget what combo you were on.

[Clarkey]

I haven't heard how the hidden room came to be, did he build it? Was it a bomb shelter from the war days? Possibly a hidden area to hide Jews from the Nazi's? It would be some strange irony if that same bunker was used to save Jew's from death and then became a torture chamber for others later.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Dan02

assuming a 6 digit code that would still be 115 different combos per day. plus how easy would it be to forget what combo you were on.

If you can try a combo in say 10 seconds (even thats long in my books) 115 combos is only 20 minutes of work.

What else are you going to do? Just sit there and wait for your dad to come impregnate you?

There would have to be some way to keep track of where you are.

Macguyver would have been out ASAP.

12 hours of trying would get over 4000 combos.

[Resolute 14]

And all that would be stopped with "If you try to escape, I will kill your kids."

It sounds like abuse is the only thing this girl knew. At some point you would just resign yourself to your fate.

[stang]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And all that would be stopped with "If you try to escape, I will kill your kids."

It sounds like abuse is the only thing this girl knew. At some point you would just resign yourself to your fate.

I am not disagreeing with these points that she was like a beaten dog just waiting to die. And I am not trying to place any blame on her. But I would rather my kids die then being locked in a dungeon and having to watch Grandpa/Dad come down and Rape mommy. Its probally not a far stretch to think that he is raping the kids too...

I would figure out the code and kill him when he comes in and then get out.

OR Just kill him before he gets a chance to close the door behind himself.

There are lots of ways he could be killed:
Cord of the TV they had,
Kitchens have weapons in them.
Pipes from sinks
Bedframes
Tiles could be pried up and made sharp....

[Mr.Coffee]

^ Yeah I dunno. I just know that I would be thinking long and hard about absolutely anything I could do.

She may have been simply handcuffed to the bed, which limits you quite a bit...

[J pold]

New developments in the case

AMSTETTEN, Austria (AP) — In an "astonishing" scene, members of an Austrian family terrorized by decades of incest and imprisonment met for the first time at a clinic where psychiatrists are helping them recover, authorities said Tuesday.

Fritzl faces up to 15 years in prison if convicted on rape charges, the most grave of his alleged offenses. However, prosecutors said Tuesday they were investigating whether he can be charged with "murder through failure to act" in connection with the infant's death, which is punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

Officials said three of the children — the hospitalized 19-year-old, and two boys, aged 18 and 5, — "never saw sunlight" until they were freed from the basement on Saturday

Only 15 years, with the possibility of 20 more?

Sad

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...FnJCwD90BQ1K00

[Resolute 14]

And yet, my first thought was "wow, that is way tougher than Canada's laws would treat him."

Given his age, 15 years is pretty much a life sentence.

[BlAcKNoVa]

A lot of talk in here about what they could have done to escape. I noticed in one of the articles one of the sons locked up was 18. Could he not overpower a 73 year old?

This whole thing is just nuts. I hope the guy gets locked up for the rest of his life.

[J pold]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And yet, my first thought was "wow, that is way tougher than Canada's laws would treat him."

Given his age, 15 years is pretty much a life sentence.

True, but a precedent still needs to be set

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

A lot of talk in here about what they could have done to escape. I noticed in one of the articles one of the sons locked up was 18. Could he not overpower a 73 year old?

This whole thing is just nuts. I hope the guy gets locked up for the rest of his life.

I would presume, having been bred into captivity, as it were, that he probably never even considered it.

I think a parallel is why a lion in a zoo doesn't kill his captor and flee out the door when the captor brings it food. For all the kids knew, that room was the world, and the man brought them food.

[arloiginla]

Originally Posted by J pold

New developments in the case


Only 15 years, with the possibility of 20 more?

Sad

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g...FnJCwD90BQ1K00

The justice system comes through again.

Disgusting.

[burn_baby_burn]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

A lot of talk in here about what they could have done to escape. I noticed in one of the articles one of the sons locked up was 18. Could he not overpower a 73 year old?

One would think that any human locked in such tight quarters would not be in the best physical condition. Hard to speculate why the daughter would not or could not escape. Maybe she was afraid for the lives of her children. Maybe if the father was over powered and killed the four captives would be locked in the dungeon to die of starvation. Very sad story.

I have to wonder how the four captives passed the time in such tight quarters? Will they all be mentally insane?

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

A lot of talk in here about what they could have done to escape. I noticed in one of the articles one of the sons locked up was 18. Could he not overpower a 73 year old?

probably not. aside from psychological reasons...
a) look at the size of those rooms - how much exercise could he possibly have had?
b) i'd be willing to bet he was malnourished. how long could he take enough food for 4 people into the basement every day and keep his wife (apparently) oblivious?
c) never seen the sun or fresh air. again this just screams sickly.

this 18 year old would probably be knocked down by a stiff breeze