Iraq 'Agrees' to $5 Billion Contract with Boeing, Bombardier

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Then that just further justifies my point.

I know...and to an extent you probably wouldn't believe.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

There's really no argument here. You think the economy should come before the basic needs of human beings, I don't. That's fair enough. Doesn't make either of us wrong. Beyond that, we could squabble all day about reasons you think this is a legitimate deal and I don't. You know the points I'll raise, and I know what you'll argue.

Way to completey avoid the question being asked of you.
The only thing I've been asking so far is why it is that you think that there is something sinister going on, or if not sinister, at least what alterior motives you think are in play here?
Can you answer that?
The back and forth between you and I hasn't at all been about what the money should be spent on, I've been trying to figure out why you think there is more to this as indicated by your use of "Agrees" in the thread title.

So answer that simple direct question.
What do you think is going on behind the scenes of this deal?

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Last I checked an economy is exactly what provides people with basic human needs. But hey why don't we bring out the 5 year plans and good old central planning for good measure.

Are you saying what oil and gas companies are doing in countries like Panama and Brazil are good for the local economy? Do you really think average joe minimum wage will see the money these companies make off their oil reserves? What about the huge impact they have on the Amazon and it's few remaining tribes?

Time to step out of your box my friend.

Using the Sword to Spread Western Values

by Abid Mustafa
(Sunday, February 17, 2008)
"Take the example of the New World and its relationship with Afghanistan and Iraq. Liberation has become occupation; democracy has given way to colonial rule, devastation is termed as precision bombing and the slaughter of innocent Muslims is described as collateral damage. Meanwhile, American and British oil companies are queuing up to exploit the oil wells of Iraq and transport the energy reserves of the Caspian Sea to Europe via Afghanistan."

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/49882

The truth in that quote is undeniable. I'd encourage you to read the rest of the article to broaden your perspective. Then you can brush it off as a conspiracy theory and we can move on.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Your original point hinges on the idea that the current bigwigs are interested in recouping the costs of the war, instead of just lining the pockets of their cronies.

EDIT: Of course that's just a conspiracy theory, so it's easily dismissed. Everyone knows this Iraq disaster was really on the level from day 1.

Lining the pockets of bigwigs didn't need a war on the other side of the world. I'm sure the president of the United States could have lined the pockets of his friends in a much more efficient low-key manor that didn't require killing tens of thousands of people. From a corporate perspective a few billion here and there isn't even big money anyway. Hell billion dollar deals routinley get done in Calgary.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Are you saying what oil and gas companies are doing in countries like Panama and Brazil are good for the local economy? Do you really think average joe minimum wage will see the money these companies make off their oil reserves? What about the huge impact they have on the Amazon and it's few remaining tribes?

Time to step out of your box my friend.

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http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/49882

The truth in that quote is undeniable. I'd encourage you to read the rest of the article to broaden your perspective. Then you can brush it off as a conspiracy theory and we can move on.

You're post is completely irrelevent and riddled with falsehoods and isn't worth any other poster's time commenting on.

As for your 'article' it's a single paged Op-ed. Anyone can write and op-ed so could you, there's nothing of substance in there.

I don't really know what you mean by the whole 'broaden your perspective' message you're sending out to CP. The Ethos is pretty weak considering the source. You'd find that a number of the people you're personally attacking have university degrees in the exact same thing your studying. You're not opening a new world for people but rather brining back bad memories from their uninformed Uni days. Heck some posters on here years ago have probably even sat through the same boring lecture you were hiding behind your laptop from earlier today.

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

You're post is completely irrelevent and riddled with falsehoods and isn't worth any other poster's time commenting on.

How is it irrelevant? I'd love to hear you explain how exactly economic deals such as these provide basic needs for the people of the country. Please, inform me. And that 'jump start the economy' rhetoric isn't necessary. Citizens of the global South do not stand to make a cent from the economic deals their country's government becomes involved in.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Lining the pockets of bigwigs didn't need a war on the other side of the world. I'm sure the president of the United States could have lined the pockets of his friends in a much more efficient low-key manor that didn't require killing tens of thousands of people. From a corporate perspective a few billion here and there isn't even big money anyway. Hell billion dollar deals routinley get done in Calgary.

Lining the pockets of bigwigs to the tune of a trillion or two dollars may require a war on the other side of the world however.

I actually don't think the ultimate goal of this whole boondoggle was to make sthe already rich and powerful even richer and more powerful, but it certainly didn't hurt.

It would be interesting to see where all the money did end up. Iraq is still a complete shambles so it obviously it didn't go to rebuilding the destroyed country. The soldiers with their asses on the line got paid but I know none of them got rich. Someone made a goddamn fortune looking after them and paying for all the bullets, bombs, food, clothing and shelter they've run through.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

How is it irrelevant? I'd love to hear you explain how exactly economic deals such as these provide basic needs for the people of the country. Please, inform me. And that 'jump start the economy' rhetoric isn't necessary. Citizens of the global South do not stand to make a cent from the economic deals their country's government becomes involved in.

Having air routes link Iraq to the rest of the world provides a great deal towards developing businesses of their own. It's very similar to building highways, providing electricity, etc. It helps their infrastructure which in turn helps business establish in Iraq, of which Iraqis work at and take home pay to buy goods and services for their basic needs.

So in your view what does provide the basic needs for the people of the South? Socialism? Continuous handouts from the first world? How could a Brazilian oil and gas company provide the basic needs for their country? Is it by having a nationalized oil company that funnels its' profits to the Brazillian government for redistribution to 'average joe's' making minimum wage?

[RougeUnderoos]

Just for fun...

Border Fence To Bypass Property Of Wealthy Oilman Who Donated $35 Million To Bush Library


DHS has no problem pursuing elderly and struggling homeowners. In the small town of Granjeno (pop. 313), however, the border fence would, conveniently, “abruptly end” at the property owned by Dallas billionaire Ray L. Hunt.


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/19/hunt-border-fence/

[HotHotHeat]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Having air routes link Iraq to the rest of the world provides a great deal towards developing businesses of their own. It's very similar to building highways, providing electricity, etc. It helps their infrastructure which in turn helps business establish in Iraq, of which Iraqis work at and take home pay to buy goods and services for their basic needs.

So in your view what does provide the basic needs for the people of the South? Socialism? Continuous handouts from the first world? How could a Brazilian oil and gas company provide the basic needs for their country? Is it by having a nationalized oil company that funnels its' profits to the Brazillian government for redistribution to 'average joe's' making minimum wage?

How about a separation from first world dependency?