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Old 02-03-2008, 07:03 PM   #41
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There isnt one group today that will go down as legendary...not one of the groups listed above are remotely close. The music industry has been in a funk for years....I think that might have something to do with the Hip Hop/Rap era that panders to gangstas and ass wranglers.
I don't know anything about Hip Hop or Rap music but who is to say there aren't legends in the making in that genre of music. Like I said I don't really listen to that kind of music so I can't really provide examples, but I'm sure there is better Hip Hop/Rap music out there than the kind of stuff I generally hear on the radio (eminem, 50 cent and such). It would be like assuming Nickleback is the best rock band right now because they are on the radio so much.

I think people have a "back in the good old days" kind of mentality when it comes to music. Just like in hockey with the lack of respect thing, and former players trying to convince us they had more respect for each other than current players. There is nothing wrong with liking a certain kind of music from when you grew up, but just because you don't enjoy a certain genre of music that is more modern doesn't necessarily mean it is all garbage. Again I don't know anything about hip hop or rap music but I bet these genres have their own legends. I don't think my grandfather or many of the people in his age group were beatles fans, which doesn't mean that the beatles weren't legends.

I just don't agree with people saying all music made now is crap. While I think most of the music I hear on the radio generally sucks (to me) There is still plenty of music I like that has been made recently. So basically I think there will be legends from this period of time, maybe not legends to you or me but legends to a younger generation.
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Old 02-03-2008, 07:44 PM   #42
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Arguably the most covered songwriter of our time; he's somebody that other musicians consider brilliant, but still isn't a household name. I'd consider him already legendary, but I think he's someone who will perhaps be better known a generation from now than he is today.

(I'm looking forward to the upcoming Scarlett Johansson album of Tom Waits covers, especially given that it's being produced by Dave Sitek of TV on the Radio).
He's an artist in every sense of the word. Brave and uninhibited, but with a sense of genius and taste.

I don't think that an artist needs to achieve a certain level of sales or recognition among the mainstream in order to be legendary. As you said, if their work influences music as art to the degree as Tom Waits has, then you could achieve legendary status.

Music is at the depth of human feeling and understanding. It's not about sales or sounding cool. It's art, it transmits human understanding of the world around us.

In addition, as a musician/composer, I'd throw in Nick Cave.
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Old 02-03-2008, 08:27 PM   #43
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(I'm looking forward to the upcoming Scarlett Johansson album of Tom Waits covers, especially given that it's being produced by Dave Sitek of TV on the Radio).
I dunno about this. I find it funny that someone who hasn't even perfected her own craft is now striving to become a musician and cover someone who is held in such high regard...I guess these celebrities think they have the talent to just pull of anything, while real musicians struggle in some pub somewhere.

Scarlett is hot as hell, and not a bad actress, but I doubt this will be any good.
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To answer your question then, no one will today will ever be put in the Elvis, Beatles class. I think Nirvana would have been the only ones that might have come close, but we all know what happened there.
...or maybe Nirvana are considered in this category because of what happened there. Realistically the majority of their stuff sucks and Dave Grohl made a better band after the fact.
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Pearl Jam in another 15-20 years will be like the Rolling Stones are now..the band that all the old people will go see to relive their youth, even though the only album they own is TEN.
Yes...but I think a lot of people own more than TEN.
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There isnt one group today that will go down as legendary...not one of the groups listed above are remotely close. The music industry has been in a funk for years....I think that might have something to do with the Hip Hop/Rap era that panders to gangstas and ass wranglers.
Music is a very generational thing in that the older generations never understand. If you go back to the 60s you'll find plenty of people who thought the Beatles were just a trend. Rap/Hip Hop can be the most innovative music out there.

Lots of posts in this thread just seem completely out-of-touch and completely disconnected from today's music scene.
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9 grammys?
That's a lot of paper weights. Doesn't mean anything else. Grammys have to be the most arbitrary/pointless awards ever.
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Old 02-03-2008, 11:21 PM   #48
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That's a lot of paper weights. Doesn't mean anything else. Grammys have to be the most arbitrary/pointless awards ever.
oh i completely agree. hence the question mark. not sure what makes anyone "legends" over anyone else.
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...or maybe Nirvana are considered in this category because of what happened there. Realistically the majority of their stuff sucks and Dave Grohl made a better band after the fact.
I know people have their own taste in music, as evidenced by the amount of crap being offered up as possibly legendary in this thread, but I can't imagine many people other than Foofighter15 think that Foo Fighters are even remotely close to good, let alone better than Nirvana.

Seeing all the different views here, perhaps the lack of potentially "legendary" musicians coming from today's group has to do with the fact that there are some many more choices, bands, genres etc. as well as methods to access all types of music whether mainstream or indy bands. Back when the Beatles and Elvis becoming supposed legends in seemed to be much easier as there were not the options out there to compete with for the market and fan base that bands have today.
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As far as todays music, probably Diana Krall will be one for sure. She's not mainstream but in the jazz world she is IT.
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I don't really know how to judge "legendary", but I think people will still be buying (and he'll still be making it) Beck's music years from now. That's not to say that he's anything (obviously) like the Beatles or Elvis (because nobody will ever do that again -- you can't popularize rock n' roll twice) but he'll stick for as long as he's interested. That doesn't mean he'll be a legend, but he won't ever wash out and be forgotten like most of them, unless he's claimed by Xenu.

And the suggestion that "everything has already been invented" sounds pretty short-sighted to me.
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pepper will be legendary within ten years. great ska / punk band
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I have a hard time seeing any punk/ska band becoming legendary. Any band of that genre who is 'legendary' was a part of the original explosion.

I agree with Alicia Keys becoming a legendary artist, and Christina Aguilera as well, she had a pretty pop music start, but if she continues to produce albums at a decent pace and matures she'll go down in history. Her voice is too good. I'm not a huge fan of her songs, but I can appreciate her talent.

Outkast is another.

But I think moon hit the nail on the head, music now is so fragmented into BS genres that it is way harder to become legendary. Add on that the single song based purchasing of music and the reduction of shows that showcase bands on TV.
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Old 02-04-2008, 01:22 AM   #54
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Put me in the "none" crowd. By "legendary", I think of artists that will still be listened to and respected hundreds of years from now, and I can't see it happening. Most of the artists we listen to now will be all but forgotten in a couple of generations.

BTW, who is Alicia Keys?
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John Mayer.
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Old 02-04-2008, 01:59 AM   #56
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Put me in the "none" crowd. By "legendary", I think of artists that will still be listened to and respected hundreds of years from now, and I can't see it happening. Most of the artists we listen to now will be all but forgotten in a couple of generations.

BTW, who is Alicia Keys?
I doubt Elvis or The Beatles or The Rolling Stones will be listened to and respected hundreds of years from now, but they have to be considered "legendary", don't they? The people that made them famous are still alive so when they all kick off that'll be the real test of time.

Even Mozart and Beethoven still haven't been dead for hundreds of years (well, maybe Mozart, but just barely into the plural hundreds) so we don't know if even they'll have that kind of staying power.

I'll bet mournful religious dirges are the oldest songs people still know, and I doubt they'll outlast "Happy Birthday".

I do know that I plan on having another 50-odd breathing years and I'll make it my sacred duty to keep "Appetite For Destruction" alive until I'm finished.
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How about The Tragically Hip?
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How about The Tragically Hip?
Maybe Canadian Legends....joining the ranks of Trooper and the Stampeders
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oh i completely agree. hence the question mark. not sure what makes anyone "legends" over anyone else.
Ahhhh gotcha.
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