Single Joint=20 Cigarettes And Huge Lung Cancer Risk: Researchers

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

?What?

First they aren't paying taxes into the system like people who buy cigs.

But they would be if it was legal.

Second, most marjiuana could be considered organic as it is pure with no additives liek cigerettes, so how can the government regulate what is in it?

It's pure until someone tampers with it which is quite common. Government regulation could put a stop to this and the inherent dangers that come with it.

Thirdly, what about all the people that need cancer treatment but can't get it because the system is jammed with cancer patients who decided to smoke pot or tobacoo and were under the impression that it only affected themselves? Try telling them that smoking cigs and pot only affects the user and no one else.

Again this could only be improved by regulation. It's going to be around whether it's illegal or not, so why not take the money out of the dealers' hands at put it to good use instead?

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

To take that argument a little further...

Obesity is a big problem in our society, and it's gaining all the time. There are a lot more fatties than there are smokers, and they are widening the gap all the time. What about the fatass in front of me at the hospital? Did that Big Mac only affect him?

A significant portion of the population has built a cult that worships caffeine. The daily double-double isn't going to only affect the person who drinks it.

Bingo. Where does it end?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

What happened to second? Too many hits from the bong?

Haha, not sure what happened there.

Gimme a break. Alcohol affects your liver, you'd better not drink or you might be taking up a much needed bed for someone who doesn't drink and needs a liver replacement. Cows are given hormones that affect some stuff in you so you'd better not eat that either. And let's not forget veggies... they're sprayed with all sorts of stuff. You'd better make sure you're only eating organic and that the cows who produce the dung to fertilize your veggies are not given hormones or you might end up ingesting some of that too...

Yes, alcohol affects your liver in LARGE quantities.....smoke affects your lungs, heart and brain in 1 single cigerette. Don't try and compare Alcohol to Cigeretts because you can't. Alcohol can be drank with positive health effects where as smoking doesn't provide any meaningful effect.

As for your statements about food, you are comparing apples to oranges. People MUST eat food, food is good for the body, it is REQUIRED, it benifits the person. Are there some side effects, yes even if you eat 100% pure food there are side effects. The simple process of metabolism is negative on the body, it is required but it a negative process an many cases.

Smoking pot or cigs is NOT required, it is BAD for the body, it does not benifit the person (other than purely psychologically).

There is NO reason for it.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by FireFly

So there are less harmful ways to ingest pot.

So

You can also burn a boatload of gasoline... which do you think hurts more to breath in?

Irrelevant

No, they're benefits. Pain relief is only one of them. My sister was told to smoke pot for the other benefits as she was already on a permanent morphine drip.

That is not a health benifit, it is a lesser of two evils. Thats like saying instead of smoking 20 cigs a day I only smoke 5, so it is a health benifit.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by worth

All drugs should be legalized.

...and let evolution take its course.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yes, alcohol affects your liver in LARGE quantities.....smoke affects your lungs, heart and brain in 1 single cigerette. Don't try and compare Alcohol to Cigeretts because you can't. Alcohol can be drank with positive health effects where as smoking doesn't provide any meaningful effect.

I call BS. You are HONESTLY going to tell me that you drink beer for the nutritional benefits?!?!

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

To take that argument a little further...

Obesity is a big problem in our society. There are a lot more fatties than there are smokers, and they are widening the gap all the time. What about the fatass in front of me at the hospital? Did that Big Mac only affect him?

A significant portion of the population has built a cult that worships caffeine. The daily double-double isn't going to only affect the person who drinks it.

If you can provide insight into good system to implement a tax obesity, I'm all ears. But, Taxes on Fastfood is a horrible idea. Eating is a normal part of everyday life, however, eating to excess is not.

Smoking however (cigs or weed), serves no basic need.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I call BS. You are HONESTLY going to tell me that you drink beer for the nutritional benefits?!?!

At one time people did.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

If you can provide insight into good system to implement a tax obesity, I'm all ears. But, Taxes on Fastfood is a horrible idea. Eating is a normal part of everyday life, however, eating to excess is not.

I agree, but eating a Big Mac isn't. I shouldn't have to wait extra time/pay more for medical care because some tub of goo couldn't meander over to fridge and make himself a salad.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I agree, but eating a Big Mac isn't. I shouldn't have to wait extra time/pay more for medical care because some tub of goo couldn't meander over to fridge and make himself a salad.

You shouldn't. But 1 Big Mac taken in moderation wont affect anything - not to mention said "tub of goo" probably woke up late and had to grab a quick bite to eat at lunch.

There are literally thousands of things which can make someone obese, which is why it would be almost impossible/illogical to tax or ban them all.

[Flames_Gimp]

Bs

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

You shouldn't. But 1 Big Mac taken in moderation wont affect anything - not to mention said "tub of goo" probably woke up late and had to grab a quick bite to eat at lunch.

There are literally thousands of things which can make someone obese, which is why it would be almost impossible/illogical to tax or ban them all.

Exactly my point. Why should the people who enjoy smoking pot in moderation and do it responsibly risk fines/jail time because of a few idiots who can't control themselves?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Exactly my point. Why should the people who enjoy smoking pot in moderation and do it responsibly risk fines/jail time because of a few idiots who can't control themselves?

Well if said evidence is true, smoking the equivilent of a pack of cigarettes once a week for a couple years is going to cause a good deal of permanent damage to your lungs and cost me money. Which means there is no amount of moderation which is really healthy for you.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

But they would be if it was legal.



It's pure until someone tampers with it which is quite common. Government regulation could put a stop to this and the inherent dangers that come with it.



Again this could only be improved by regulation. It's going to be around whether it's illegal or not, so why not take the money out of the dealers' hands at put it to good use instead?

Look, I am all for legalizing the crap. But don't stand up on your soap box telling the world how wonderful it is and how it is SO much better than cigs. I like how society is pushing smoking out of existance. Soon there will be no one smoking at all.

[Shawnski]

So many points, so little time...

On "safer" ways to ingest pot, if you are talking bong, it isn't safer. Putting it through water is not stopping the smoke from entering your system. If it DID, you wouldn't be getting your buzz. If you are talking brownies or the like, guess again. Recent article had a bunch of classmates/teacher going to the hospital as some nut decided they would bring in some home made brownies for their unsuspecting piers. Same shinguard, different pile.

On "natural" versus "hydroponic", WTF do you think is 99.9999% of the product being consumed? And for most hydro, chems are rare for good crops anyways.

On pot/lungs versus booze/liver, your liver has an astounding ability to rebound from its processes. Your lungs do not.

I have been there and done each since many of you were but a twinkle in your parents' eyes. Pot IS the bigger evil, don't fool yourselves.

My two brain cells worth.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Look, I am all for legalizing the crap. But don't stand up on your soap box telling the world how wonderful it is and how it is SO much better than cigs. I like how society is pushing smoking out of existance. Soon there will be no one smoking at all.

Where in any of my posts did I say how wonderful it is?

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I call BS. You are HONESTLY going to tell me that you drink beer for the nutritional benefits?!?!

Did I say anything about nutrution? Alcohol has a huge heart and artery benifit when consumed responsibly. And there is ample scientific data to back that up.

[foofighter15]

uh-oh.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Well if said evidence is true, smoking the equivilent of a pack of cigarettes once a week for a couple years is going to cause a good deal of permanent damage to your lungs and cost me money. Which means there is no amount of moderation which is really healthy for you.

No, but if you're taxing it the same as cigs, which you would be if it were legal, then what's the difference? I like to smoke a cigar once every couple of months. It's incredibly bad for me but so what? Are we supposed to avoid everything we enjoy in life because it could be bad for us? Moderation is the key.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Where in any of my posts did I say how wonderful it is?

Sorry, that statement was a general statement not specific to you.