Toronto to get black-focused school

[4X4]

Okie dokie. I guess we disagree. And sorry about the stereotype.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fotze

That suprises me, I went to catholic school from 1-12 and after that I always thought the tax bill was the exact same. I cannot find anywhere that it costs more to declare your taxes to go to the separate sytem and my parents never mentioned that and I never heard that from anyone. You could be right but that would suprise me. Can anyone find a link that says that?

I heard that you get dinged extra for the school buses and things like field trips.

Another way to look at is that Catholics represent the country's single largest religous group and so it's pretty likely that Catholics pay more as a collective than any other religous group.

[Igottago]

I think a lot of you bring up a valid point about this being just another choice among many in the education system. But....

...it still reeks of segregation. Catholic schools are based on an ideology/religous views, not a race. Same with Jewish and Muslim schools. But "Black" schools? Thats a race. That's a skin color. What if there were "white" schools? It would never happen, there would be riots over it.

As a minority who grew up in the public education system, I am strongly against this concept. This idea flies in the face of what generations of blacks had to fight against in the civil rights movement.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Man if I ever got stuck in an Asian school, I would probably fail everything... except maybe ESL. But even that's iffy. I'd probably skip that class a lot.

[RougeUnderoos]

The Calgary Girls School has a women/feminist-centric slant to it and it's a charter (tax funded) school.

And do religious schools (ie "Calgary Christian School") not get any government funding?

[Igottago]

I bet they would have a wicked basketball team though.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Then it's not really an issue of segregation or not.

Actually I still think it is.

In theory, government funded or not, this school will segregate black children from white children.

Which shows to me, and everyone else for that matter, that color still has A LOT to do with education, or the lack of.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Igottago

...it still reeks of segregation. Catholic schools are based on an ideology/religous views, not a race. Same with Jewish and Muslim schools. But "Black" schools? Thats a race. That's a skin color. What if there were "white" schools? It would never happen, there would be riots over it.

.

Some might argue that being black is not just a skin colour, but it is an experience. You could even go so far as to say it is a culture that has some distinction.

People of different races do have different experiences, and therefore; different perspectives and cultures. All these things are going to manifest themselves in the individuals by giving them specific values, skillsets, desires... whatever. If they feel that the education system as it is isn't working for them, I'd rather have them develop a different system unique to them rather than changing the one that seems to work well enough for most people.

[4X4]

I gathered that this school was going to be geared toward people from the carribbean. Maybe its as simple as being able to understand the teacher better.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Azure

Actually I still think it is.

In theory, government funded or not, this school will segregate black children from white children.

Which shows to me, and everyone else for that matter, that color still has A LOT to do with education, or the lack of.

"Segregation" in this scenario is quite a bit different from "segregation" of old. It's a loaded term that doesn't really belong in this debate.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Some might argue that being black is not just a skin colour, but it is an experience. You could even go so far as to say it is a culture that has some distinction.

People of different races do have different experiences, and therefore; different perspectives and cultures. All these things are going to manifest themselves in the individuals by giving them specific values, skillsets, desires... whatever. If they feel that the education system as it is isn't working for them, I'd rather have them develop a different system unique to them rather than changing the one that seems to work well enough for most people.

So isn't being white an experience too? How about a school for the white experience?

In the end, we all have an experience...the human experience.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by fotze

Bwahahahah. Good one. That one deserves an evil german bobsledder from Cool Runnings slow clap.

Well I'm honoured....by the way he was Swiss, not German.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Azure

Aren't all those schools privately funded though?

I have no problem with a black-only school.....if the government doesn't pay for it.

So you are ok with a Catholic school only that is publicly funded all across Canada and is entrenched in the charter?

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Azure

Actually I still think it is.

In theory, government funded or not, this school will segregate black children from white children.

Which shows to me, and everyone else for that matter, that color still has A LOT to do with education, or the lack of.

I heard the woman who is head of the committe proposing this school. She said it would be a school not for "blacks only" but a school emphasizing "Afro ethnetics". She said they could not prevent and would not try to stop any others who wished to apply to the school. She also added that she highly doubted many outside of the intended population for the school would apply.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by lambeburger

So the next question is whether they'd allow non-blacks to also go to this school.

See post above ^^^

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Originally Posted by redforever

I heard the woman who is head of the committe proposing this school. She said it would be a school not for "blacks only" but a school emphasizing "Afro ethnetics". She said they could not prevent and would not try to stop any others who wished to apply to the school. She also added that she highly doubted many outside of the intended population for the school would apply.

South African whites might be interested. I want an Irish centric school.

[Joborule]

Are you kidding me?

We might as well give an East Indian school only as well while were at it.

Last I check, this is Canada, and it's the year 2008. Not the USA south, and 1950.

Just seems weird to see these schools now. Then again, we do have asian schools and such.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by redforever

So you are ok with a Catholic school only that is publicly funded all across Canada and is entrenched in the charter?

No.

But if you send you kids to a Catholic school you pay more taxes, right?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

From what I understand the concept of the school was bought up and requested by members of the black community, so the term segregation and the statement about MLK is I think a little over the top. It wouldn't be.

I guess the issue that is stupid is that we're bringing up the bugaboo of cultural differences. That black students can't keep up to white students when they follow white curriculum. I think that this is the issue that bothers me a lot, because the black community by saying this is fueling the fire for every crackpot racist out there.

At the end of the day, one of Canada's great achievements and possibly its greatest failure is its policy of multiculturalism. In a way, by accepting their explanation that they need this school, we're actually handicapping them, and in a lot of ways lowering expectations. At the end of the day, all of our kids have to be Canadian's they have to get the same level of education, and we shouldn't use 10 cent easy solutions like allowing schools for black kids, or Muslim Kids or Chinese kids as part of the public system. If they need help in school, isn't it more of a individual thing then a race thing, shouldn't we be doing that then recreating the whole ebonics program in our country.

Shouldn't I be running at a temp of less then 100 degrees.

One of the most laughable concepts of this school is that all "black" kids/people have everything in common because they are black.

I mean a Jamaican kid and an African kid (the real ones) have nothing in common except their skin colour. Hell Africans only share a continent and "possible" skin colour in common.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by fotze

Catholic schools aren't privately funded.

They should have asian based schools, it would be easy to do up the schedule.


Monday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Tuesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Wednesday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Thursday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

Friday

7:00 - 12:00 AM - Math

12:30 - 3:00 - Science

3:00 - 6:00 - Computers

6:00 - 7:30 - How to lie to your parents

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