5 killed on Macleod trail crash - Update: GUILTY!

[SarichFan]

Originally Posted by ricoFlame

if he was drunk, i don't care if he feels bad and wishes he was dead. he isn't and five people who wern't driving drunk are dead. drinking and driving is not a mistake, eventually you are going to kill people.

Didn't see my edit?

[KTown]

The fact that 5 people are dead is one thing, the people that are really affected is the extended family. There the ones that have to live with this for the rest of there lives. Every Christmas time there will be massive depression and sadness. Christmas will never be the same, family functions will never be the same, and the list goes on and on.

I couldn't imagine losing my brother, his wife and 2 kids too this sort of thing.

PS here is why the driver walks away look at the difference in size.

VERY SAD!!!!!!

My prayers are with the family of the deceased and the families of the driver as his family has to live with his stupidness.

[Wookie]

Geez - imagine losing your son, daughter and their three kids your grandkids.

Brutal.

[Flames_Gimp]

so sick..wiped out a whole family

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by fotze

I say we try him through message board posts. I declare him guilty from skimming in under half a minute, no need to even open up the related links.

lol

[alltherage]

We should all wait for more details before condemning the driver of the truck. You never know the circumstances until police reveal all the factors involved.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by alltherage

We should all wait for more details before condemning the driver of the truck. You never know the circumstances until police reveal all the factors involved.

driver was arrested and charged...he refused a breathalyzer test....F him, he's guilty.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally Posted by alltherage

We should all wait for more details before condemning the driver of the truck. You never know the circumstances until police reveal all the factors involved.

They've actually released quite a few details already.

Check out this link: http://www.gov.calgary.ab.ca/citybea...052549_27636_0

You don't refuse a breath sample unless you have a reason.
He obviously wasn't stopping for the red light which they had stopped for.
Five innocent people are dead including two little girls and baby boy and he walked away from it unscathed. First thing I thought of when I heard this was, "Do I know anyone who had two girls and boy?" and I actually do but the ages are off so I knew it wasn't them. But there are people out there who do know them and now they are without five loved ones. Scum sucking SOB should be put in a cell and they should throw away the key.

[urban1]

The accused, Daniel Tschetter, 50, of Cochrane, Alta., is to appear in provincial court in Calgary on Dec. 13.

I wonder where this guy was drinking. At a bar, with coworkers, Xmas party or what? And who let him drive?
He always could have been drinking alone but I doubt this was the first time he drank and drove. WHat concrete company was the truck from?

[flames85]

why do all topics have to turn into a debate?
i think we are all intelligent enough to realize who was in the wrong, and that this is a terrible tragedy. no matter how you slice it, the intent to kill isn't there. it was an accident. hopefully he is remorseful and hopefully he is punished appropriately. but to say this is a deliberate murder is wrong, walking into a mall and killing 8 people is.

[Wookie]

Originally Posted by flames85

why do all topics have to turn into a debate?
i think we are all intelligent enough to realize who was in the wrong, and that this is a terrible tragedy. no matter how you slice it, the intent to kill isn't there. it was an accident. hopefully he is remorseful and hopefully he is punished appropriately. but to say this is a deliberate murder is wrong, walking into a mall and killing 8 people is.

I think the debate on this comes with what one should accept as being responsible with drinking. If you're drinking you shouldn't be driving. Why? Because it can lead to a death sentence.

So - if you know drinking and driving can cause this damage, and you go out and do it anyway, you're taking other people lives into your hands and putting them in a life/death situation. If you know this is what you're doing - some people think it's the same as taking a gun and shooting someone. There is a chance you'll miss, they'll live, or die.

As well the sheer absurdness of it. It's not some freak accident, or some person who has mental problems going off the deep end and shooting someone. It's the normal average everyday person who is irresponsible that one or many times that suddenly wipes someones entire family from existence. It is so avoidable and such a waste.

Think of all the horrible things some people have gone through, break ups, job loss, bad relationships, pets dying, etc. Now multiply that by a trillion, that's what a ton of people have to go through every time this happens.

So of course it's going to cause some debate. This person may have gotten hammered and taken out his massive weapon and driven it right into someone when he should have known better.

[KevanGuy]

Originally Posted by urban1

I wonder where this guy was drinking. At a bar, with coworkers, Xmas party or what? And who let him drive?
He always could have been drinking alone but I doubt this was the first time he drank and drove. WHat concrete company was the truck from?

Looks like C&J or something.

[Eastern Girl]

What a tragic thing to have happen. My heart goes out to the families affected, as well as those that had to tend to the scene. I can't imagine what they must have seen and how that will stay with them.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally Posted by flames85

but to say this is a deliberate murder is wrong, walking into a mall and killing 8 people is.

Walking into a mall with a gun or getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. He was using his vehicle as a weapon and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. The difference is in one instance it's premeditated and the other isn't. It's still vehicular homicide in my books.

I know a girl who lost her mom to a drunk driver who happened to be dating my uncle at the time. She's free to do as she likes now but that girl will never get her mom back. Needless to say I haven't spoke to those members of "my family" since. This isn't a situation where second chances should be given.

[flames85]

is there really a debate over that? are there really people out there that honestly think drinking and driving is a good thing? i don't. i think there are people out there that think they are "able" to drink then drive but know that its not the right thing to do. have you ever been to a bar and watched as average joe's sitting with their buddies getting drunk, and then driving home. what is going to change this?... i think thats the real debate.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally Posted by flames85

what is going to change this?... i think thats the real debate.

It is the real debate. That's why we'd like to see a real punishment handed down instead of the half-assed one we know he'll get. Until society as a whole knows you don't get any second chances with an act like this, they'll never start taking it seriously. Start making an example out of these losers instead of slapping them on the wrist. The justice system in this country focuses too much on the criminal and more often than not, completely forgets about the victim.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

Walking into a mall with a gun or getting behind the wheel while intoxicated. He was using his vehicle as a weapon and it wouldn't be the first time that has happened. The difference is in one instance it's premeditated and the other isn't. It's still vehicular homicide in my books.

I know a girl who lost her mom to a drunk driver who happened to be dating my uncle at the time. She's free to do as she likes now but that girl will never get her mom back. Needless to say I haven't spoke to those members of "my family" since. This isn't a situation where second chances should be given.

the two aren't on the same level. but that doesn't mean he shouldn't get punished. as well .. i believe everyone deserves a second chance, its just a matter of wanting a second chance and what your going to do to change.

[Eddie Bronze]

Originally Posted by flames85

.. i believe everyone deserves a second chance, its just a matter of wanting a second chance and what your going to do to change.

But what I'm saying is society knows they'll get that second chance so there's nothing to really be scared of. Have to start taking it away or this will continue to happen.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by flames85

is there really a debate over that? are there really people out there that honestly think drinking and driving is a good thing? i don't. i think there are people out there that think they are "able" to drink then drive but know that its not the right thing to do. have you ever been to a bar and watched as average joe's sitting with their buddies getting drunk, and then driving home. what is going to change this?... i think thats the real debate.

What is going to change it is when we start taking the licenses away from drunk drivers. Not for the 5th offense for a 6 month period or some crap either. First offense, you lose your license for 2 years. Second offense, you're done. Enjoy riding the C-train from now on.

Those of use who don't drink and drive will all get a little safer as there will be virtually no repeat offenders.

We aren't talking about a trivial inconvenience here. We are talking about people dying. That entire family just got wiped out because this guy figured he was "ok" to have a couple wobbly pops and get behind the wheel. I am betting it wasn't the first time.

[flames85]

Originally Posted by Eddie Bronze

It is the real debate. That's why we'd like to see a real punishment handed down instead of the half-assed one we know he'll get. Until society as a whole knows you don't get any second chances with an act like this, they'll never start taking it seriously. Start making an example out of these losers instead of slapping them on the wrist. The justice system in this country focuses too much on the criminal and more often than not, completely forgets about the victim.

your right, but i think they need to start from the top and hand out real punishments to the criminals that are out there with the intent to kill/steal...etc.