Muslim employee at Canada airport fights dress code

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by redforever

She went through the proper procedure. She asked her supervisor if a slightly longer skirt was ok, he approved it. Why should she have to go directly to the head of her company? That is what the supervisor is for.

so the supervisor was wrong, give the guy a break. When did everything every single supervisor say become company policy.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

I'm sorry, I missed the part where she was PUSHING her beliefs on others or her employees? Is she preaching Islam to them? Is she tryingt o recruit more women to wear longer skirts?
No, she's trying to find a suitable option for her to do her job properly while still adhering to her beleifs as a Muslim.


I'm sorry, so because I don't eat bacon, I SHOULDN'T work in a kitchen, even though I want to cook? Your examples are priceless...

Like fotze said, let's piss off the immigrant workers who TAKE these jobs....that'll keep the airports running smoothly.

I'm not saying you cant work in a kitchen, but once working there you shouldnt start bitching because other people want to eat bacon. What i'm saying is if you were really morally opposed to people eating bacon then you probably would not work there. Just not liking bacon a little bit is not the same thing at all.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Again, its the issue of taking this to the Human Rights tribunal that is my biggest peave.

Listen, this woman had been doing her job for over 5 years, obviously she was doing the job to code. She was never comfortable with slacks, less so with a short skirt. She asked her supervisor for permission for a slightly longer skirt, she got it. Suddenly she is dumped, no forewarning, just dumped.

What kind of employer does this? Why did the employer not go to the person in question first and say, I am sorry, your supervisor was misinformed as to our dress policy. You will have to go back to wearing slacks if you don't wish to wear a short skirt.

No, she was unceremoniously dumped. Employers have a responsibility here too.

Don't people know how to treat each other nice anymore?

Like I said previously, I see this as such a trite issue that I don't even know why it became an issue in the first place.

[llama64]

Originally Posted by Swarly

I'm not saying you cant work in a kitchen, but once working there you shouldnt start bitching because other people want to eat bacon. What i'm saying is if you were really morally opposed to people eating bacon then you probably would not work there. Just not liking bacon a little bit is not the same thing at all.

Guys... stop talking about bacon. I'm getting hungry.

[4X4]

You guys make it sound like she walked into the interview and demanded a different uniform.
She wore the pants. She was uncomfortable. Maybe she doesn't like showing camel toe. She wore a skirt a little longer than the rest of the women. It should be a uniform option.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Swarly

I'm not saying you cant work in a kitchen, but once working there you shouldnt start bitching because other people want to eat bacon. What i'm saying is if you were really morally opposed to people eating bacon then you probably would not work there. Just not liking bacon a little bit is not the same thing at all.

Your example does not even compare here. This woman is not trying to say everyone should now wear a longer skirt like she does. She merely wants to wear a slightly longer skirt, not impose this on others.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by redforever

Listen, this woman had been doing her job for over 5 years, obviously she was doing the job to code. She was never comfortable with slacks, less so with a short skirt. She asked her supervisor for permission for a slightly longer skirt, she got it. Suddenly she is dumped, no forewarning, just dumped.

What kind of employer does this? Why did the employer not go to the person in question first and say, I am sorry, your supervisor was misinformed as to our dress policy. You will have to go back to wearing slacks if you don't wish to wear a short skirt.

No, she was unceremoniously dumped. Employers have a responsibility here too.

Don't people know how to treat each other nice anymore?

Like I said previously, I see this as such a trite issue that I don't even know why it became an issue in the first place.

she wasnt dumped, she got warned and sent home. article says she had been suspended, not fired.

[@theCBE]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Again, its the issue of taking this to the Human Rights tribunal that is my biggest peave.

So where to you propose she should take the issue? She has already been fired, so its not like she can compromise with her employer.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by redforever

Your example does not even compare here. This woman is not trying to say everyone should now wear a longer skirt like she does. She merely wants to wear a slightly longer skirt, not impose this on others.

i'm not trying to say it is the same thing, i was just pointing out an example of choosing a job based on your morals.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by @theCBE

So where to you propose she should take the issue? She has already been fired, so its not like she can compromise with her employer.

No she hasnt been fired. And she can deal with the issue like everyone else does. If she has a union, then have the union help her with her complaint. If she doesn't have a union and can't get satisfaction, then maybe it is time to move on to another job where they allow here to wear whatever she wants.

[HOOT]

Well I am uncomfrontable wearing a tie but my work makes me do it anyways. Who can I take my case to?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

No she hasnt been fired. And she can deal with the issue like everyone else does. If she has a union, then have the union help her with her complaint. If she doesn't have a union and can't get satisfaction, then maybe it is time to move on to another job where they allow here to wear whatever she wants.

Terminated, constructively dismissed. Whatever.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by redforever

Listen, this woman had been doing her job for over 5 years, obviously she was doing the job to code. She was never comfortable with slacks, less so with a short skirt. She asked her supervisor for permission for a slightly longer skirt, she got it. Suddenly she is dumped, no forewarning, just dumped.

What kind of employer does this? Why did the employer not go to the person in question first and say, I am sorry, your supervisor was misinformed as to our dress policy. You will have to go back to wearing slacks if you don't wish to wear a short skirt.

No, she was unceremoniously dumped. Employers have a responsibility here too.

Don't people know how to treat each other nice anymore?

Like I said previously, I see this as such a trite issue that I don't even know why it became an issue in the first place.

There are two sides to every story and we aren't getting the employers side as they tend not to comment. She still works for the company she wasn't dumped. SHe was given the oppertunity to change her uniform back to policy and she didn't but.....it's ok.....we need to accomidate everyone.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by @theCBE

So where to you propose she should take the issue? She has already been fired, so its not like she can compromise with her employer.

Apparently the Teamster's Union has tried to intercede and the employer has said, the policy is slacks or a knee length skirt. Sounds pretty stubborn to me.

As 4x4 has said, skirt length should be an option. I don't think the employer in questions wants any compromise whatsoever.

Like I said before, something as trite as this should never have become an issue in the first place. And now that it is an issue, the woman in question is being dumped on.

Surely to God in a country like Canada, we have more important things to deal with than the length of skirts worn in some work environments.

If this compromised the public, or it compromised the woman from doing her job efficiently, maybe, but I don't see that as being the case here whatsoever. I see an employer who is a stubborn jacka...

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by HOOT

Well I am uncomfrontable wearing a tie but my work makes me do it anyways. Who can I take my case to?

This is clearly a case of human rights violation, call up the tribunal

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by fredr123

Terminated, constructively dismissed. Whatever.

Garda has agreed to offer the screener, Halima Muse, 33, a full-time administrative position in civilian attire at her previous salary. She will be paid full back pay for the time she lost due to this issue.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...20News/848241/


Seems the union is helping as they should be. No need to make this a Human Rights Issue.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by HOOT

If this lady wasn't of a certain race or color this wouldn't even be a story, but it would be some lady who just can't complain enough.

I understand where both sides of the argument are coming from. But if you make a dress code change for this lady, what is next? Where do we draw the line?

I love how these people come to Canada to "live the Canadian dream" but as soon as they get here they want to change every rule or law so it fits into their life style. I am the futherest thing from a racist but if you don't like it you can leave the same way you came.

Agreed.. This is the proper approach and people are too concerned with hurting any feelings so we bend over backward to appease everyone.

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

You hit the nail right on the head. Lets appease everyone until there is nothing left of Canada as we know it.

My boss who is a devote Sikh was the first person to say this to me.. I was so floored because it was so unexpected.. But he was absolutely right.. He used the example of the Simitar (sp) (Ceremonial sikh dagger) and the case about 10 years ago where there was outcry within the Sikh about telling their boys they can't have a dagger in school. He was so dead against allowing them to do this, and its part of his religion, he said if it starts there where does it end?? He said there is no way he could follow the letter of the law in his religion and still function in Canadian society. People who want to follow whatever religion to the letter of the "law" can feel free to, but they had better find a role in society that fits their way of life. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. Society should not bend over backwards for every special interest group.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by 4X4

You guys make it sound like she walked into the interview and demanded a different uniform.
She wore the pants. She was uncomfortable. Maybe she doesn't like showing camel toe. She wore a skirt a little longer than the rest of the women. It should be a uniform option.

Why did you have to do that. I now can't get airport security personnel and camel toe out of my head. I should make a Human Rights complaint against you!!!!

[llama64]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Garda has agreed to offer the screener, Halima Muse, 33, a full-time administrative position in civilian attire at her previous salary. She will be paid full back pay for the time she lost due to this issue.

http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/...20News/848241/


Seems the union is helping as they should be. No need to make this a Human Rights Issue.

Might have to make a Human Rights Issue out of it so the employer loosens up on their stubbornness. Firing an employee for wearing a *more* conservative skirt? Gimmie a break.

By offering her that position they are conceding she was dismissed without cause. That is the rights violation.

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

There are two sides to every story and we aren't getting the employers side as they tend not to comment. She still works for the company she wasn't dumped. SHe was given the oppertunity to change her uniform back to policy and she didn't but.....it's ok.....we need to accomidate everyone.

Whew! Glad we finally agree. Let's go talk about photo radar at stop lights or something.