No Country For Old Men

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

How did u know that? I mean, I assumed he did, but how do we know for sure?

The are probably other ways to prove it, but the fact that he checked his shoe soles for blood upon exiting the house sold it for me.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

How did u know that? I mean, I assumed he did, but how do we know for sure?

You don`t know for sure. But it`s assumed that he killed her.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

How did u know that? I mean, I assumed he did, but how do we know for sure?

I think he killed her because he kept his word throughout the movie- the coin flip, paying the kids at the accident scene, and Woody's chat in the hospital, when he was surprised that Josh had seen him, and was still alive.
I could be wrong, as I'm not sure that I 'got' the show.

Edit: I hadn't noticed him checking the soles of his shoes...that would work as well.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

The are probably other ways to prove it, but the fact that he checked his shoe soles for blood upon exiting the house sold it for me.

Yeah, he was quite concerned about his feet. He threw his socks away after he killed the three guys in the hotel and they made a little scene out him putting his feet up on the bed to avoid Carson Wells' blood.

I just looked up Carla Jean on IMDB and she's actually Scottish. She was in Trainspotting as "Diane". Anyone remember her character?

She plays a pretty convincing Texas bumpkin.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I want to see There Will be Blood, but everyone I know that has seen it has hated it. They all say you just say wtf at the end? Anyone know why?

Well can't really say anything until you've seen it, but its not a hallmark card film and I'm sure that puts a lot of people off.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Yeah, he was quite concerned about his feet. He threw his socks away after he killed the three guys in the hotel and they made a little scene out him putting his feet up on the bed to avoid Carson Wells' blood.

I just looked up Carla Jean on IMDB and she's actually Scottish. She was in Trainspotting as "Diane". Anyone remember her character?

She plays a pretty convincing Texas bumpkin.

I believe she was the teenager that Ewen MacGregor's character hooks up with after their night of clubbing.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

I believe she was the teenager that Ewen MacGregor's character hooks up with after their night of clubbing.

Ah yes, I should have known.

Diane: [Mark has spent the previous night having sex with Diane only to realize she was an underage schoolgirl] Well, what's the matter, Mark?
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: It's you that's what's wrong!
Diane: Well at least us hold hands.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: No, we're not holding hands!
Diane: No? But you seemed a lot more happy to do more last night. There's nothing wrong with it.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: Its illegal that's what's wrong with it! You know what they do to people like me in prison? They cut your balls off and flush them down the toilet.
Diane: Relax, you're not going to prison.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: That's very easy for you to say Diane!
Diane: Well, are you going to see me again?
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: No, Diane!
Diane: If you don't see me again, I'll tell the police.
Mark "Rent-boy" Renton: [turns around and stares at Diane blankly]
Diane: All right, I'll see you around then.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by BuzzardsWife

I want to see There Will be Blood, but everyone I know that has seen it has hated it. They all say you just say wtf at the end? Anyone know why?

They're idiots? lol

No seirously, Daniel Day-Lewis' performance as Daniel Plainview is one of the best performances I've ever seen, it's amazing. Just watch the movie for yourself.

No Country for Old Men and There Will be Blood are two of the best movies I've seen, hard to pick which won was the best movie of last year.

[Dynasty12]

Great movie. Left me confused at the end

[Displaced Flames fan]

I need to watch it again.

I thought outside of Bardem's charcter and his unwaivering 'character' and an interesting situational story the movie was just lost. Tommy Lee Jones' character and his dilema was so confusing. I had no idea who the hell he was talking to at the end of the movie (not his wife, before that) and if it was real or a dream.

Maybe I hyped it up too much. I don't know. The way in which Brolin's character suddenly became a footnote rather than a primary character was just bizarre. I tend to agree with MMF on movies a lot so this is one I will probably watch again and see what I missed.

As for "There Will Be Blood", I haven't seen it yet but I know this....the movie can be complete garbage but as long as Daniel Day Lewis is in it, I will be mesmerized (see Gangs of New York). The man may be the best actor on the face of the planet.

[Dion]

I picked this movie up last night from the video store.

I found the story line to hard to follow and the ending made no sense at all. The characters in the movie were hard to understand also.

Like DFF i may have rent this again.

[flip]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

They're idiots? lol

No seirously, Daniel Day-Lewis' performance as Daniel Plainview is one of the best performances I've ever seen, it's amazing. Just watch the movie for yourself.

No Country for Old Men and There Will be Blood are two of the best movies I've seen, hard to pick which won was the best movie of last year.

Agreed. But I'd easily pick There Will Be Blood as the better movie.

SPOILERS!!!

Just some of my thoughts on these two movies...

I liked No Country, and really enjoyed the theme of the old Sheriff feeling inadequate in his older age, especially when he describes his two dreams at the very end. Them both being about him being inadequate compared to his father. Also, Tommy Lee Jone's character being unable to come to terms with modern society.

Then of course the stubbornness of Lou Ellyn (sp?) and him not wanting to just give up, in fact he goes so far as to essentially sell out his wife in an effort to win the battle against Sugurh (sp?). This I thought might have stemmed from a deep seeded feeling of incompleteness that he felt given the fact that he was a Nam vet and we all know how that ended.

However, I far preferred There Will Be Blood. Daniel Day Lewis portrayal of Daniel Plainview was one of the finest performances I've ever seen in a movie. I'm short on time so I don't want to analyze this one too deeply but I loved the comparison of Daniel Plainview, the first brother Paul, who sold out his family for $500 (im assuming that he never got the other $1000 that Daniel promised him and I'm also assuming that he was lying to Eli at the end about Paul's success) then of course Eli the preacher who clearly knew that he was taking advantage of those small town people just as much as Daniel was.

I found it really interesting that there really weren't any good people in this movie. There isn't really a Protagonist because Daniel, Daniel's fake brother, Paul and Eli are all terrible people who are doing whatever possible to get ahead in life and that even though they were "successful" they weren't happy.

In this respect I believed that No Country and There Will Be Blood had some similarities in that they both showed the effects that money and the perceived happiness that it can bring and how people will do anything to get/keep money so that they can achieve said happiness that money supposedly brings.

I guess the only decent person in the whole movie was Daniel's son. He really overcame all of the crap that his father put him through and became happy and successful.

EDIT: few more thoughts on There Will Be Blood

I love how the opening sequence with Daniel in the mine digging for gold essentially tells you everything you need to know about this character in the first five minutes.

Also, the scene near the beginning where he is giving his speech to the townspeople and how Daniel refuses the contract even if they gave it to him as a gift. I especially like this scene because it shows that these townspeople are "wolves" hence Daniel does not want to deal with them and subsequently moves on to the ranch with just the older couple because they are "sheep" that Daniel can take advantage of far more easily, in the same way he tries to do with the Sunday family, under the guise that he only wants their ranch to raise his son on. (BTW this idea is not my own but I really loved the insight it provides into Daniel's character)

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

I need to watch it again.

I thought outside of Bardem's charcter and his unwaivering 'character' and an interesting situational story the movie was just lost. Tommy Lee Jones' character and his dilema was so confusing. I had no idea who the hell he was talking to at the end of the movie (not his wife, before that) and if it was real or a dream.

Maybe I hyped it up too much. I don't know. The way in which Brolin's character suddenly became a footnote rather than a primary character was just bizarre. I tend to agree with MMF on movies a lot so this is one I will probably watch again and see what I missed..

I'd definitly give it another shot Dis, I really liked it the first go around and gave it another showing and enjoyed it alot more. The Tommy Lee Jones character was interesting and I think I liked him more then Bardem's. Jones nails down that southern character though. It reminded me of his role in The Three Burials of Erik Estrada (haha).

The characters really make No Country though. Yeah I was really confused, and still am, but it's a movie I would pop in tonight and probably enjoy even more.

As for "There Will Be Blood", I haven't seen it yet but I know this....the movie can be complete garbage but as long as Daniel Day Lewis is in it, I will be mesmerized (see Gangs of New York). The man may be the best actor on the face of the planet

Boy did you nail it there, totally agreed. He's just on another level, it's almost painful watching the majority of actors in There Will be Blood act opposite of him as he just blows everyone out of the water though. His character is horrible, just deplorable, but Day-Lewis gets it.

Paul Dano is great in it too. He really plays well off of Day-Lewis' Plainview character. The underlying hate, disgust, distain for each other is.. well I won't say anymore.

[metallicat]

I'm not a huge fan of There Will Be Blood, but the acting is definitely top notch. The ending is a little disturbing. Good movie, but I choose NCFOM as my favorite between the two.

[jammies]

Some very interesting interpretations here, and that is why I think this is such a great movie - you can watch it and go deeper into it every time. I feel for the people who were put off by the violence at the beginning - as the movie goes on, the violence becomes more and more implied instead of overt, which probably symbolizes something else I haven't quite put my finger on yet, but it certainly is quite explicit at the start. Still, I think it's worth rewatching for those who couldn't stand it or even get thru it, as it is probably one of the best films I've seen in the last 25 years and I would be hard-pressed to think of any way in which could have been improved.

[metallicat]

Anyone read the book? I rarely enjoy a movie more than the book, but this was one of those times.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Anyone read the book? I rarely enjoy a movie more than the book, but this was one of those times.

I have to agree. Unfortunately, I have a hard time with novels that are written in the manner in which they should be spoken aloud.

By that I mean, I generally dislike a novel with poor grammar for the sake of intimating a South Texas drawl. Just brutal to read, and unfortunately I find it takes away from the story and the themes.

[BuzzardsWife]

OH YEAH, I do remember him checking his shoes and thats why I assumed he killed her. I think I actually liked the ending.

[Claeren]

The thing about the ending, to me, was that the feeling of being a bit lost and confused is not an accident.

It is not that they messed up the ending, it is that you are SUPPOSED to feel that way. It is exactly how the Jones character feels!

Brilliant really. I mean watching the movie more than once is like reflecting on your own life, the more you do it the more you figure out but the more complicated all the connections are - and you certianly wouldn't feel comfortable with all of the pieces the very first time you did it, especially after living a life as a cop in Texas.


This is the type of movie that if you feel uncomfortable or lost it is not because the movie is poorly done, it is because the movie is so brilliantly done!

I think audiences are so used to movies with big holes in them and typical formula's for audience manipulation that they automatically assume the unfamiliar feeling of being lost or confused as a problem, rather than the intent.





Claeren.

[flylock shox]

I avoided all these spoilers today since I was planning on renting it tonight. Now that I've seen it, I can't say it impressed me much. The violence didn't bother me, and the acting was fine, but I guess I just wasn't buying what it was selling. That, or what it was selling just wasn't all that much of a revelation to me.

From reading through some of the posts above, it seems the movie maybe requires a second viewing in order to fully "get" it. But to be honest, I've got no inclination to watch it again. It was kind of dull. I actually got up twice during it to check my email.