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Old 09-29-2007, 05:53 AM   #41
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i actually feel kinda sorry for m$. people yell and complain about what microsoft doesn't do...ie the 360 or vista vs xp. so they extend the warranty and give the consumer choices. what happens? they get lambasted for doing the right thing.
A note on the 360 extended lawsuit... MS never admitted to higher than average defect due to the red ring of death until they were faced with a class action lawsuit. It was in light of the lawsuit and the atrocious return rates that they admitted that defects were "higher than usual" and extended the warranty from 1 year to 3. They never released figures, but I've heard numbers that ranged as high as 20% defect rate on the first gen 360, which is terrible.

I don't consider myself a MS hater. I consider myself a consumer purchasing a product with expectations that it delivers what it advertises. I have never owned a Mac and never will simply due to 2 things:

1) Apples proprietary attitude and their approach to closing hardware.
2) Lack of software support. A computer is useless if it doesn't support the applications you want to use.

Examples of things I really give kudos to MS is the following:

1) Excel is the best spreadsheet application bar none. It never ceases to amaze me what people can do with that application.
2) DirectX is the best thing that can happen to the industry with providing a common API for developers to write code for the incredible host of hardware out there. I hail back from the DOS days and I know the difficulties companies faced with hardware support. DirectX took what VESA did for graphics and extended it across the board and encompassed all the perimeter hardware manufacturers which. I might also add, aside from major low level optimizations to the code base and customizing it specifically to the hardware, you'd be hard pressed to write an application that yields better performance than the library functions provided in DirectX. Same with MFC, though .NET seems a little fat. I've written code for both MFC/.NET and DirectX as well as alternatives provided by Borland, the legacy Win32 API and other API's such as OpenGL. MFC/.NET and DirectX really are a pleasure to work with and the performance is absolutely delightful given that they are general purpose APIs. Trust me, setting the view and drawing to the screen with DirectX is like playing with Lego compared to using x-lib, which back in the DOS days, was hailed as "the" graphics library.
3) X-Box Live! should be a model that all console and gaming should mold itself after. Everything works great and it consolidates everything in one nice, efficient, and easy to use system (take note, Sony).
4) "Games for Windows" is an absolutely fantastic idea. In particular, one of the things offered by this initiative, is the ability to use my X-Box 360 hardware on my PC. Though I do have my gripes with the d-pad on the 360 controller, it is still better than any offering available on PC. And I don't need to buy one for each system.

Anyways, you get the idea. I give credit where credity is due and I have no reservations for calling out things that are subpar. Vista, much to my disappointment at this time, is subpar. It's unfortunate, since I really like the Aero interface and everything MS did to modernize the OS, too bad it just doesn't work.
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:31 AM   #42
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So on the topic of Vista. I work for one of the big two computer manufacturers so I have had some interesting insight on Vista. I also sell servers to the corporate world so I have heard all the complaints. I am a Linux user mainly so I have no reason to defend MS.

1) Yes driver support and software compatibility are big issues. However, Microsoft made Vista available to everyone well before launch so other software companies can adjust there new releases to Vista, a lot of companies didn't even try to see if there software would work they just assumed it would. What sucks for MS is that they get blamed for other companies ineptness...

2) At some point if your a business you are going to have update your software from that program Johnny Dorko wrote you in 1998 for your business, sorry that's a reality.

3) You can run a virtual XP os on Vista that will run everything fine. You just need an XP license to do it.

4) Got an email the other day and MS is extended the date for EOL of XP to June. It was originally going to be done in Jan.
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Old 09-29-2007, 09:14 AM   #43
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My main laptop is OSX and I absolutly love it. I always said I would never switch back. But for work we need to have windows based computers, so i recently purchased a Dell with Vista Ultimate. I don't mind it for what I need to do. I decided to put Ubuntu on another partionin on the Dell and I am loving it. Except for the driver support for my wireless, there is none.

Vista IMO is not nearly as good as XP was, but give it time, people were complaining about XP when it first came out as well. Note to Microsoft, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Apple hasn't came out with a mjor updtate to the OS since 10.0 just minor tweeks here and there.
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:31 AM   #44
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A note on the 360 extended lawsuit... MS never admitted to higher than average defect due to the red ring of death until they were faced with a class action lawsuit. It was in light of the lawsuit and the atrocious return rates that they admitted that defects were "higher than usual" and extended the warranty from 1 year to 3. They never released figures, but I've heard numbers that ranged as high as 20% defect rate on the first gen 360, which is terrible.
I can't disagree with anything that you have written.

I didn't mean to limit my comments about people's troubles with Vista though...some of the most frustratingly crazy times that i have ever had have been with computers...and i know them. it always makes me wonder how the average person does it. so i can understand the desire to get onto the platform that they know works.

i have a 360 and touch wood it has been good so far. when you are spending the kind of money that you need to invest in a gaming hobby, you expect it to work.

credit to m$ for stepping up...but as you note...a shame that it had to be like this and a shame that a class action suit had to happen. its sad for me because as a 360 guy i would like nothing more than for people to really get onto 360, but the hardware is the most often cited reason for not getting on. i think that m$ had better realize that the internet is a powerful voice out there.
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:54 AM   #45
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Note to Microsoft, if it ain't broke don't fix it. Apple hasn't came out with a mjor updtate to the OS since 10.0 just minor tweeks here and there.
So Microsoft gets torn apart in the media for XP being a security nightmare and a hackers dream....but it ain't broke? You know, I really feel bad for MS sometimes because they are damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
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Old 09-29-2007, 12:33 PM   #46
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I'm not touching Vista with a 10 foot pole until the SP2 comes out, it's like buying a brand new model year redesigned car, you're always gonna have teething problems.
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